Originally posted by Auroz:

I'm a popular trader

I'm going to unban you right now, just because you are so popular.

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

Neither of you will be unbanned. Permanent ban means just want it says.

You win, thread locked.

It's allowed now, yay! Locking this.

This is the thousandth time a thread like this has been posted, keep this kind of conversation to the correct thread.

1. It would be helpful if you actually posted a link to your trade that was closed.
2. Let's not be rude to others, right now, I'm not very inclined to offer my assistance.
3. It would probably fall under the rule of common sense, you're not going to be able to buy an unusual with one key or a key with one refined etc.

Originally posted by Lt. Maverick:

Just once I'd like to see someone I actually report dealt with. Blantant violators are never dealt with and you guys never respond when to posts are reported, so whats the point? I've reported numerous abondoned trades, duplicated trades, and at least one guy has the sames items listed on as many 4 trades right now and you do nothing when it's reported. I'm not al little kid. I'm 46 years old, run my owncommunity and have offered to help numerous times because I want you guys to be the best out there. Nothing. Then, someone closes one of my trades in retailiation for this too. I don't get it. All I want to do is make your site better using your reporting tools and guidelines and you do nothing or never even respond to someone offering to help. I don't get it, bt whatever. Your site is good, and t it could be so much better.

Add me and I'll help you out with your reports.

Originally posted by Derel > Last step to soldier set:

1)As Norby said, if you do have a trade with not buying or out of stock we'll just close that trade.
1)im paying with different item, if some arew unavailable but others are. no reason to reopen trade all 24 hours.

2) No, you can't make a counter of "people who didn't read" it's an indirect violation of user rule 2, as you are meaning to put people down because they didn't read the post.
2) as no names or IDs are made no mod would close the trade cuz of that, btw never heard of such a close

3) and still you dont have 10 year old kids who can buy stuff worth buds. we do

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say.

Originally posted by The Once and Future King:

Originally posted by Not_Duck:

My advice isn't wrong, it just helps with decreasing the issue from arising, trust me, I deal with thousands of reports and I see this all the time. Again, this advice will not 100% prevent people from being dumb, people will always be dumb.

Except your giving the advice to people who already do this.
Person A makes thread complaining
Person B (me) comments about blocking people
Person C (you) Gives advice on how to stop this
Person A + B already apply to this advice (the only way to make my notes simpler would be to not have any)
Advice is really wrong in this context since we are already following it so there is not need to tell us to keep doing the same thing we already are.

And that's fine, you may not think this advice is good because it doesn't apply to you. I follow these guidelines and I rarely get people who don't read my post. Again you are entitled to your own opinion, as a mod, I'm just trying to help.

Originally posted by Derel S>2011 festives cheap:

1) reading out of stock or not buying at the moment or not buying with XX items takes 10 seconds.Argument invalid
2)See 1
3)I dont write anyhting about that. I do just block them like other who commented are doing it
4)You can make such a counter, why not. But never saw someone wrting names or steam IDs lol
5)has nothing to do about reading trade descriptions, missleading trades are smth else and there is a particular rule concerning this on outpost.

Conclusion: if people dont take 10-15 seconds to read a setence the can fuck off

As Norby said, if you do have a trade with not buying or out of stock we'll just close that trade. No, you can't make a counter of "people who didn't read" it's an indirect violation of user rule 2, as you are meaning to put people down because they didn't read the post.

Originally posted by The Once and Future King:

Originally posted by Not_Duck:

Some people accidently don't get every single detail of your trade, therefore they post the wrong thing. I think a lot of you guys are to impulsive when it comes to blocking people, "IM GOING TO BLOCK YOU BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T OFFER WHAT I WANTED", that sounds a bit immature if you ask me.

Here are some useful tips on how to get to actually read your post.
1. Keep it short, often times people don't want to spend an hour reading what you have to say, we have millions of trades and they can find one that is easier to understand.
2. Keep it simple, if you give some kind of complex offering guide you won't get quality offers and people will simply refuse to read it.
3. Don't state anything about "if you don't read this, I'll report you" or "type in "not_duck is cool" if you actually read the post", people are trolls and they will not follow the guidlines you set down because they are trolls.
4. Don't complain about it in your trades, i.e. "33000 people didn't read my OP, here are their names and steam ids, go make fun of them!", for one, you'll get banned for that (a violation of user rule 2) and for two, you'll attract unwanted attention.
5. Don't mislead users with your trades, if you have an unusual hat, worth about 1.5 earbuds, and you put 1 earbud in your wishlist, then you ask people not to offer just one earbud, guess what will happen? People won't listen.

TL:DR, Keep your trades short and simple and this wouldn't happen.

Lets see:

1. Yup, all I include is a list of the items and the price, so that is short.
2. Yup, all I include is a list of the items and the price, simple enough.
3. Yup, never mention the word read once in any of my trades.
4. Yup, again, all I include is a list of the items and the price, so no complaining.
5. I list one of each item I am acceptime (i.e. 1 bud, 1 bill's, 1 key, 1 ref, 1 rec, 1 scrap, ...) since I have multiple items in every trade it is impossible to have the exact amount on the offers side for the item the person is looking for since I don't know what they will be looking for when I make the trade, and there are 4-7 other items on the trade than just the one damn item the idiot who can't read is looking for. Maybe you should re-think this suggestion as it only makes sense if you only put one item in your trade, and because of your sites trade limits that is not feasible.

So yeah, your advice is wrong. I keep my trades short and simple and people still add me out of the blue and make offer for half of what I am asking for the item, seems you don't really know what you are talking about.

My advice isn't wrong, it just helps with decreasing the issue from arising, trust me, I deal with thousands of reports and I see this all the time. Again, this advice will not 100% prevent people from being dumb, people will always be dumb.

Originally posted by Derel S>2011 festives cheap:

Also @ not duck, you have only trades open with unusuals and high value items. You will never get in contact with the retards buying our normal items. 99%of the traders who can afford unusuals/mid tier unusuals are experienced and intelligent enough to read trade descriptions. I dont think you really know the Situation

You're right, but the same situation applies for people who have unusuals, they set prices just like people with normal items and people still refuse to read their posts.

I keep my trades extremely simple, because in the past, I've experienced people who don't read the Original Post http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/685520, here is my original weapon for weapon trade, I had quite a few people who didn't read the post, as at it's longest, it was very long and complicated.

Some people accidently don't get every single detail of your trade, therefore they post the wrong thing. I think a lot of you guys are to impulsive when it comes to blocking people, "IM GOING TO BLOCK YOU BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T OFFER WHAT I WANTED", that sounds a bit immature if you ask me.

Here are some useful tips on how to get to actually read your post.
1. Keep it short, often times people don't want to spend an hour reading what you have to say, we have millions of trades and they can find one that is easier to understand.
2. Keep it simple, if you give some kind of complex offering guide you won't get quality offers and people will simply refuse to read it.
3. Don't state anything about "if you don't read this, I'll report you" or "type in "not_duck is cool" if you actually read the post", people are trolls and they will not follow the guidlines you set down because they are trolls.
4. Don't complain about it in your trades, i.e. "33000 people didn't read my OP, here are their names and steam ids, go make fun of them!", for one, you'll get banned for that (a violation of user rule 2) and for two, you'll attract unwanted attention.
5. Don't mislead users with your trades, if you have an unusual hat, worth about 1.5 earbuds, and you put 1 earbud in your wishlist, then you ask people not to offer just one earbud, guess what will happen? People won't listen.

TL:DR, Keep your trades short and simple and this wouldn't happen.

Originally posted by ♡HelenAngel♡:

If you return the hat when he gets back online and provide screenshots of your inventory history showing that you returned it, I will do the following:
1. Give you a TF2OP Caution on SteamRep that can be appealed here in 6 months, provided that you stay clean
2. Give you a 2 week ban on Outpost rather than a permanent one

I genuinely appreciate you coming forward and doing the right thing here. The main reason we ban scammers and have them marked on SteamRep is NOT to punish, but to prevent further scams. If you do indeed follow through and return the item, then I do not see you as a threat to either the Outpost community or the trading community as a whole and therefore do not think it is necessary to permanently ban you or mark you with a scammer tag.

Looking forward to seeing a screenshot of your inventory history when you've completed this. =)

The queen has offered you her mercy!

Originally posted by KingOfHeart:

5 ref is below the 200% range. So can we get an outrageous rule, and allow highballs?

Originally posted by Xile{t}:

It's currently an unwritten rule under the "common sense" heading I think the intention there is that if you say "200% or more of the price will be closed" then these people will set their price to 199% and laugh whilst holding their little finger toward their lips ;)

MacroPower is awesome.