Originally posted by ReTired ツ:

And what do you want to say us with that quote? Is that a feature request, like remove all have-lists and whish-lists so that only notes are left. Like ... like a forum? Would be of great benefit for tf2outpost, i mean thats why we are here and not at these numerous trade forums, because we want to read notes .... NOT?

Oh, I was pointing out this; "It's come to my attention multiple times that people are not reading notes on trades. While it's not something we can enforce, notes often contain vital information such as the prices of the listed items".

I added notes in my trade for vital information of my buying price for a Naughty Crate. I don't see how adding information of what I will exactly give and recieve between players will led to a trade being closed.

"It's come to my attention multiple times that people are not reading notes on trades. While it's not something we can enforce, notes often contain vital information such as the prices of the listed items, or specific instructions, for example. "please don't add me" or "keys only, no metal". If you don't read this, then you're only wasting your own time as well as the trade owners. There's a small note icon on every single trade that has non-empty notes, and clicking it will instantly show them inline, so there's really no excuse to not be reading them." A quote by Sneeza, from the Global announcment in TF2Outpost. Just pointing this out.

Originally posted by ReTired ツ:

Have you ever tried to sell your craft hats for 1.3 ref? Wasn't it really annoying to browse through 50+ trades to sort out all the lowball idiots who put 1.3 ref on the have side but say in notes they only buy for 1 ref? Have you ever tried to buy a key for a decent price like 3.6 ref and wasn't you annoyed by 150+ resell faggots putting up trades with 3.6 ref on the want side and writing in notes they want 3.7 - 3.8 ref? This is what this rule was made for and i happily report any of theses trades that i encounter that violates that. Rest assured i will spare all your trade crates, unless you put a salvaged one on the have side and only scraps on the want side and say in notes you sell this for ovah 9000 scrap.

You can go to settings and turn on all notes or something like that. Also, turn on 50+ trades in one page. Press Ctrl+F and search "3.66 ref" to find keys that are really selling for 3.66 ref.

I know there's alot of people who has annoying trades like being misleading trades. But is being annoying a bannable act? Aren't lowballs annoying? Sure we should banned all "lowballs".

Have seen those quicksell unusual trades? Who puts up an unusual hat in the want section? But it says that the buyer will only spend like about 13 to 27 keys. Even though they put up a max,earbud,bill, keys in they have section. Will you consider quicksell trades as misleading because they weren't on it's regular price? Like a lowballer right?

Originally posted by Xile{t}:

Why can't you make what you're offering clear when you make the trade? why should the extra step of opening the notes + reading them be required to find out what you are actually offering/accepting?

Ok, everyone should make their trade clear. What If a person has 9 ref to buy plenty of crates? Oh sure, I should add 9 ref in my want section. Or I can just put notes in my trade to make everything clear. Not putting notes in a trade will make such confussions.

Oh, what If I was going to buy crates for a rec each? And I added 1 ref to buy plentyfull of crates? Like what I had on my very first post. I added a note to clear everything up. I don't see what is so painfull of click the note button.

Good idea! I should smelt my metal in-game! Oh, what if there was any technical issues has to be done with the game? Or you are a F2P, if you smelt metal it will mess everything up and make the metal untradable. It is painful if you can't run one of your games in the time of need right? You can trade still without the game, right? Metal is a liquidated item. A person can still give change without you smelting the metal.

You can tell me that I am lazy to smelt my own metal. Even though I had problems with TF2 back then. What do you think will be the extra step of making everything hard for both buyer and seller? Opening the notes + reading or open tf2, wait for validating, go in game then smelt. But in my case I cannot open TF2.

Originally posted by Xile{t}:

I think it is seen as being misleading as what you have in your Have > Want isn't the trade you're proposing.

How is that misleading? Could people read the notes and then understand? "Have > Want trades" will make every trade like it misleading?

Originally posted by Xile{t}:

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- What If I put in 1.33 ref for some hat in my want section, and I added 2 ref on the have section. Then I added on the notes "Will provide change" is that bannable?

I don't fully understand what this means, but if it's misleading [e.g. - you're not offering what is in your 'have' section for what is in the 'want' section] it would probably be considered misleading too

What if I added 2 ref, in my have section then I was acctually going to spend 1.33 ref for a hat. Is that bannable? Although If I state that I will provide change? Thank you, will edit my previous reply.

Poke,

I just have a set of questions..

This rule:
No misleading trades — if you're looking to trade 1.33 refined for some hat, please don't put 2 refined up on the left hand side. It's the same as false advertising in the commercial world, and is frowned upon.

Will the ones who added the notes who also stated their price on the notes be banned/closed?

What if I added 2 ref, in my have section then I was acctually going to spend 1.33 ref for a hat. Is that bannable? Although If I state that I will provide change?

Originally posted by samhudson333:

We're not going to change our rules on misleading trades. To make that less misleading, you could have put only 1 crate in the "want" field, so it would express that you planned on spending a lot of metal on the crates. Nobody would think you were buying them for 8 refined each. The 1:1 way that you listed it is easily misconstruable though.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7262526

You mean 7 ref, right?

If I look in your POV, it shows that your trade is misleading. You should have put only 1 backpack expander in the "want" field, so it would express that you planned on spending a lot of metal on the backpack expanders (?) . Everyone would think you are buying them for 7 ref each.

Originally posted by GBID~Outsourced:

You are looking for responses? How about this; The only reason you had refined there and not reclaimed is that you know people were more likely to click on your trade when refined is there when you are only paying reclaimed. You clearly are trying to mislead traders into clicking your trade, thinking you are paying more than you actually are, and then hoping they just settle for what you are paying. I completely support the moderator and think this should be a bannable offense if done too much.

Originally posted by 1 800 Try Hard's wife:

Funny thing people too "lazy" to open notes to give accurate metal offer.

You were the one who was too lazy to open tf2 to smelt your metal into reclaimed in the first place. You are just making tf2outpost inconvenient to others by posting trades that just waste everyone's time, and then you have the nerve to call them lazy.

No, the reason I had refined there because I was showing the amount of metal that I had, to buy Naughty Crates. My paying price was in the notes.

No, I wasn't lazy to smelt my metal. I crafted them to turn them in to a smaller quantity to fit in the "have" section.

Originally posted by Not_Duck:

Also, trades that are selling keys, they put 3 refined in the wishlist, and they ask for 3.whatever, thats misleading, as people think you're selling for a lower price, they click, giving you more views and more customer. All in all, put what you actually want in the wishlist.

Thank you for the tip, I should have added 24 naughty crates in my wishlist.

Originally posted by Champelliot:

Originally posted by 1 800 Try Hard's wife:

Bump.

Why does this need bumping? Has the question not been answered?

I am looking for responses. Sorry for not stating that out. And I haven't recieved a reply from the people that I replied on.