Originally posted by Slonis ◢◤:

OMG this is rly a bad new! I had donated 7 keys (<10$) and now i get only 6 months T_T. I think TF2 trading is crashing out soon

7 * 1.5 = $10.5 which is more than $10 so you get year's worth. Basically Blue ones get one year premium and non-blue ones get 6 months

Originally posted by Paladin ϟ KMGL:

Originally posted by Sandulf:

@Paladin
What's is wrong with having tiered donation system?

$1/month - No ads and autobump every 1 hour
$3/month - 15 open trades and autobump every 45 minutes
$5/month - 25 open trades and autobump every 30 minutes

I already said I agree with tiers in the Premium ranks. -_-


The reason they can't accept items (not "official" reason, but I'm 95% sure this is the reason as I had the same problems when I tested/developed Private Servers for games), is because Donations aren't taxable. In the USA, there are many many rules on Donations, one of them along the lines of: the entity receiving the donation must put the donation toward a specific cause. This can cause huge problems when running a business. Another rule on Donations being that they must be "donations". It can't be the entity(Outpost) taking the donations as payment for Donator status. Therefor it can't be "Donations" anymore.

Also, it is hard to tax virtual items.

Originally posted by Sneeza™:

. In addition, item trades are very problematic and a legal grey area in terms of income, we can't continue to be taking them in such volumes.

Legal grey area. Damn USA economical govermental bulls**t is what that means.



So yes. Some people will be left out. Until Outpost can come up with a deal to make the Government happy, Items won't be accepted.
Sucks. But that's how it is.


I'm not too happy about it either.
Paladin out.:sticky:

I can understand why TF2OP can't accept donations directly. TF2OP can have tie-ins with sites like TF2Shop.net or Hexdie which buy TF2 items all the time. They can buy keys and in return grant a TF2OP premium code which you can redeem on the site. TF2Shop gets cash and no keys, TF2Shop.net gets keys at much cheaper price and those who don't have a credit card have a means to buy Premium which would cost them a bit more but there is still an option.

And TF2OP has collaborated in past with Hexdie and TF2shop.net so I don't see an issue why they can't do it again. All I am asking for is alternative

@Paladin

Not everyone that many keys as me and not everyone can afford like you and me. Its our responsibility to think for everyone instead of acting selfish. The point is to reach a solution that is agreeable to everyone

And no I don't have any friends I can trust. I have 2-3 trustworthy friends on Steam but neither of them have credit card. In fact they ask me to buy Steam games for tem in exchange of cash since they can't buy from Steam directly

What's is wrong with having tiered donation system?

$1/month - No ads and autobump every 1 hour
$3/month - 15 open trades and autobump every 45 minutes
$5/month - 25 open trades and autobump every 30 minutes

And a tie-in with TF2Shop.net or Hexdie where people can buy TF2OP premium with keys. You can have a system where people can sell their keys under market price and get a TF2OP premium code which when you redeem on site grants you premium.

Instead of acting selfish and thinking 'Hey this doesn't affect me too bad this affects someone' I for one would like suggest something that's agreeable to both sides

If you are tired of my shit stop reading. This is a place where people come in to voice their concerns and throw in some constructive comments to work out a solution. You stive towards a solution not ask people to STFU and leave

Originally posted by Ha Ha Ha Thud!!!:

@Sandulf: About point B. He's saying that like next time you're visiting your mom and dad, or a friend, ask them if they'd be willing to use their credit card/paypal to pay the site (Since you can login from anywhere), and you pay them back with cash, baked goods, blow jobs, whatever. He's not saying you should share your login information with them. Just have them there to enter the card details.

I think people have every right to act condescending towards people who can't afford $5/month if they meet these criteria:
1 - Have a computer that is capable of playing games.
2 - Have a steady internet connection
3 - Have time to spend trading virtual items.

If you meet all three of those criteria there should be NO REASON you can't scrap $5 together if you are that serious about trading.

For anyone who is a casual trader, 10 trades should be plenty. And it's still free!! Yeah you have to go bump your own trades, but that's not really that difficult. It also makes sure your trades have visibility when you're actually at your computer and can accept friends and such.

Yeah so I just go around begging people asking if they can let me use their credit card for a while for some shady payment over internet they have no idea about instead of asking TF2OP to find a solution. Nice one! Also you just can't login from anywhere actually. If you login from a different IP address Valve trade bans you for 15 days to prevent phishing incidents.

Do you know how much I pay for internet per month? $8.73. That's how much I pay because that's what I can afford. So yeah $5 a month seems a bit high in that comparision.

And I am not even asking them to scrap with donations. All I am asking for is a chepaer plan like $1 a month with lower benefits likt 15 trades and autobump every 2 hours. I don't think that's too much I am asking. Instead of acting like an elitist you should find a solution that benefits everybody instead of sayng 'Tough luck' and shrugging hands

Originally posted by Paladin ϟ KMGL:

Originally posted by Sandulf:

That right there. Not everyone is from US like and not everyone can afford that amount like you do and plus not everyone has a credit card or get a credit card because banks won't give cards to people with no steady source of income. That's what whinning is about. TF2OP isn't used only by people from US, you have to think globally. And if you are ust going to alienate people saying sorry that's how it is then its just sad

1:Prepaid cards are accepted. That was mentioned in an earlier post. Or give a good friend 2 keys a month to cover you.

If you can't afford the $5 a month, don't get Premium. Simple. Seriously, outpost is still free to use. If you don't have the money to spend $5 then you can't be a Premium. You have a computer. You have internet. Be honest, you aren't doing that bad.

Don't wanna be a life coach, but if you don't have a steady source of income, then you shouldn't be spending enough time on TF2 to merit needing a Premium account. Get a part time job. "The economy is bad" THEN DON'T GET PREMIUM.

TL;DR : It is FREE. If you have the EXTRA money to get premium, that is awesome. If not, it's still FREE!!

Manage your money...
Paladin out.:sticky:

A. Banks here don't usually have prepaid cards. And wen they do they are exobitant like 1.5 times the balance.

B. If you want to donate premium you have to login through your account and donate. You can't trust anyone with your Steam account info and ask them to just login and donate on your bahalf. If you are seriously recommending that then you aren't aware of how many scammers are out there and how many scams happened when a friend lent another friend and unusual

C. The reason I don't have steady source of income is because I am still a student with studies ahead of him. I choose to focus on my studies rather than get a job according to your life advice. And best part about part time jobs here is that they aren't steady and hence banks won't give out credit cards to such people.

It's good for you that you can afford easily $5 a month. But not everyone can so don't act condescending towards them. Without knowing full story behind a person you have no right to act high and mighty.

And I am not even asking them to stop donations. All I am asking for is
1. An alternate way of payment since I don't have credit card and paypal won't work without credit cards.
2. A tiered donation systemt. Like $1/month, $3/month, $5/month each having increasing order of benefits so people can select a plan they can afford


TL;DR If I want to get premium I can't because I don't have a credit card and I am alienated from the system. And all I am suggesting that donation system be broken down into tier plans so people could choose depending on what they can afford.

Originally posted by Paladin ϟ KMGL:

Originally posted by Biggy smalls:

2. Old donators which paid money for what was advertised as "PERMANANT" donator rights are being ripped off

You still have Donator rights. You are still permanently a Donator. Donator's just don't have any cool rights anymore. When you donate to Goodwill, and they say you can use the store bathroom anytime you want, but the plumbing breaks, are you gonna whine about not being able to use the bathroom, or beg for your money back? Donations are given without any product or service in return. Now they fixed up the bathroom and it's all pretty and you still get to use it for free!

You are getting 3x your money in premium time. Honestly, y'all should be on your knees thanking Sneeza and the Outpost team for giving y'all anything.

In a year or 2 when your graciously given free premium runs out, and you're still playing tf2, hopefully you have a job and can afford $5 a month.

$5 a month. That's like 1/3 of mowing a lawn, 45 minutes of work at a minimum wage(USA) job, 2 hours of begging on a street corner, selling 5 shirts to a thrift shop. You probably paid more for your lunch today than $5. Stop complaining.

Bunch of whiners...
Paladin out.:sticky:

That right there. Not everyone is from US like and not everyone can afford that amount like you do and plus not everyone has a credit card or get a credit card because banks won't give cards to people with no steady source of income. That's what whinning is about. TF2OP isn't used only by people from US, you have to think globally. And if you are ust going to alienate people saying sorry that's how it is then its just sad

Originally posted by Tony Reigns:

I honestly don't know why everyone is complaining. Without outpost you guys would have a very bad trading experience, everything would be so much harder to sell. Imagine having to sell EVERY item you have on a trade server manually, and even worse, imagine trying to find the items you want on a trade server. You guys do realise that the admins are literally spendings countless hours everyday on Outpost right...? 5$ isn't much to spare, and if you guys don't have access to a credit card, sell your items for some PayPal $, really not that hard.

The reason people are complaining is because not everyone of us has credit cards like you do

Outpost isn't the only place where you can trade your items. There are sseveral other places trading sites. Bazaar's UI is much more advanced than TF2OP's. It offers atleast 30 min autobump for all users, then tehre is 'Buy Now' feature with automated trading bots so you don't have to worry about missing deals, plus you can donate via items. Then there is Backpack.tf's classifieds which offer moore benefits if you donate for premium at much lower subscription fee which include autobump. And then there is dispenser.tf for automated trading, /r/tf2trade, tf2deal.ru. So yeah there are other options

To people from US/UK/EU where average hourly wages range from $10-25 easily,$5 isn't a big deal. But for people from third world counties where decent steady job wages are about $2-3 per hour, its considerable fee for just autobump. And even if I sell my keys for paypal, the balance would transfer directly to my bank. There is no way I can make payments using paypal without a credit card. I have tried this a lot of times previously while trying to buy Humble Bundles and Steam games using PayPal. It won't work unless I have a credit card attached. So don't talk about things you don't know about

Paypal doesn't accept debit cards in my country and other pre-paid credit cards way too expensive (like 1.5 times the amount of balance). And like the other guy its same for me. I am just a kid and I don't have any source of income so bank won't consider issuing me a credit card unless I have a full-time steady job.

My parents won't let me use their card. $5 might not seem big amount for average US/UK/EU citizen where minimum wages are high but for third world countries its a decent amount and parents ask questions on why and where I am using it for before considering whether to allow it or not. They aren't bright on concept of TF2 trading. They feel its shady and think its some form of gambling or some scam or some porn site for which I am using money for. They havent understood in past and never will understand and definitely not if its every month.

On a lucky day, I can do some trading and get sizeable profit and on other days I don't get any profit. Payment with items whenever I could save and afford was one way I could think of buying donation perks, but with that out of the way I have no other option. To most of the guys who think that donation perks don't matter at all as site is still free to use, well it does matter a lot and I will be abandonned

I really hate the fact the users can't donate using items. I for one don't have access to a credit card to make monthly payments. Plus $5 a month is not a trifling amount for me that I could afford to invest that much per month for trading privileges.

I think you guys are pretty much set on doing your thing and aren't going to change that no matter what's being said here. I know running site is a hard thing but $5 per month is just isn't worth it for me and to top it with no item payments makes it only worse. I guess I will use up whatever premium I am left with and then good bye premium

SourceOp rep threads are limited only to trades done over SOP. Mostly SOP rep threads are sued for cash transactions since thats the only place where rep matters most. Otherwise people just leave rep on steam profiles. TF2OP had rep system but they repalce that with Hearts now