No, you may not list the same item more than once.

•L•R• MrOmNomNom3 lähetti viestin:

YOU BROKE THE RULES! YOU ARE GONNA PISS THE ADMIN OFF! EVERYBODY PANIC!

Stop with the jokes or you will be banned.

•L•R• MrOmNomNom3 lähetti viestin:

stuff

Raichu Wants Cs:go items lähetti viestin:

i went to steam rep to appeal and i waited almost 2 years cause i guess they work long?

NiceTraderJoe lähetti viestin:

AWESOME!! I really like the automated "monitor and react" method of dealing with scanning bots.

To help harden the countermeasure effectiveness, could these be implemented:

• Have seller option "require user Steam login before showing 'resolve' link" (further prevent fresh bots from ever viewing my Steam ID while maintaining SEO for my post contents)
  
• Expand 'resolve' link monitoring to "logged in by Steam" users and block specific users, not just IP addresses

These two measures should help harden the phishing bot countermeasures by:

• Not exposing 'resolves' to fresh collector bots
  
• Prevent proxy server hopping by collector bots even if they are logged in by Steam to beat IP bans
  
• Further increases the complexity of successful collector bot code (disincentive to create smarter bots)
  
• Give sellers more active options to combat phishing

Thanks again for the excellently effective efforts!! ^_^

Joe.

IDs are hidden from all users, it doesn't matter whether they are logged in or not (and it should not matter, phishers do it both ways). Restricting it to logged in users will diminish its effectiveness...

Proxy detection is a totally different beast.

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HusKy lähetti viestin:

I have posted this elsewhere but you should protect trade offer URLs as well.

People use offer URLs for Backpack.tf price suggestions as proof. I would think that the admins won't do that.

Trade Offer links have nothing to do with bp.tf

Your quote from the topic title:

Phishing "Reduction" Making My Trading Harder.

The reduction is a consequence of option #2. Removing the fix will return everything to how it was (#1). There is no point in discussion option #2 because the only alternative is option #1. Steam doing something would be option #3, but we all know that's not going to happen.

ᅚC.Sandwichᅚ lähetti viestin:

how about we just forget this discussion ever happened.

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There's really no discussion to be had

ᅚC.Sandwichᅚ lähetti viestin:

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There's really no discussion to be had. People asked for it, we did something to throttle their actions when one autobumps a trade. But like we said countless times by now, we can't stop people from creating accounts and adding users. That's a thing only Valve can do. Many people, including Steam forum moderators, say it's the user's fault: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/46476691830050832/

I'm pretty sure I didn't say "stop phishing now." I never said you could completley stop it nor was I begging for it to be stopped now. If there was a way somebody will figure it out. I guess first discussions don't go well in TF2 Outpost.

Let make it simpler for anyone to follow: either phishers add you after a bump or they add you randomly. The latter is the chosen method due to the restrictions imposed by us. Which one do you prefer? There is no 3rd option.

This is going nonsense now. Locked.

There's really no discussion to be had. People asked for it, we did something to throttle their actions when one autobumps a trade. But like we said countless times by now, we can't stop people from creating accounts and adding users. That's a thing only Valve can do. Many people, including Steam forum moderators, say it's the user's fault: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/46476691830050832/

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/groups/tf2outpost/discussions/0/558747922562007365/#c540742485382301536

Do not necrobump.

Imagine 700k users with 9 relists each. That's 6,300,000 trades with the exact same intent. As far as I know, the MORE trades the HARDER the competition is for sellers...everyone will be forced to have 9 relists to be able to "compete"... your argument makes no sense.

The rule will not change. If your intent is to buy all craft hats then a single trade is enough. We don't need people clogging search results with trades that mean the same thing. This only upsets people trying to find people who DON'T mass buy/sell items. If they wanted mass buyers/sellers they would use services dedicated to this.