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Reduced Siege Length and Stronger Defenders

I like this light touch improvement to sieges. Especially alongside the mod that gives more interesting garrisons.

Seems to still work fine on the latest patch.

Update ? Out of Date in the Mod Launcher .

Is it possible to make a mod that reduces the speed of units climbing the wall? Specifically with just units climbing on ladders.

Ohh, ok so the other mod does it via script. I dont know how to write script for wh2, but if you are interested, take a look at Brutal Sieges by Jadawin, for how he implements the AI only buffs.

Ah gotcha, yeah if there is already a min to how long a siege must go on before attrition hits, then i agree with your point. I have trouble imagining a scenario where i would wait three turns before assaulting a settlement, even with this mod.

Yeah, i was messing around with your mod in pack manager, hoping i can add your bonuses to the table that sets AI difficulty, but i didnt see a way to specify there the buffs would apply only for defensive sieges. Was hoping you'd have more ideas :)

When i get some time, I know theres another siege mod that adds missile resistance only for AI garrisons (a good change too imho, since battlements offer so little protection), ill see if I can reverse engineer how he does that and share here if you are interested.

@ToElisium. For your first point, siege reduction can never bring a siege to lower than 2 turns until attrition hits. That means your big doomstack is sitting still for 3 turns minimum before attrition hits, which is a pretty big opportunity cost in my opinion and should be long enough for reinforcements to arrive. Stacking siege reduction would pay off in the few instances that you hit a really buff city (Tier 5 Hexoatl with Star Chamber or something), but would be wasteful most of the time.

I totally agree with your second point, that it human defenders do not need any further buffs, only the AI, but I do not know off a way to apply the buff to one and not the other. However, since humans are on the offensive far more often than the defensive (YMMV) I think the AI benefits more from these buffs than humans.

Thanks for the analysis. All the subtle consequences of such changes are difficult to appreciate without differing viewpoints.

Ok fair enough, though its a bit unrealistic, starvation happens over time, not so drastically over a turn. I have yet to test if you can stack all those siege reduction traits and techs to cheese the AI into dying from starvation instead of sallying -that is my biggest worry. But your mod, your call.

Another request tho - is it possible to only give the garrisoned army buff to the AI? The player doesnt really need it (and can cheese a lot with the extra ammo on top of that) and i want to make the game a bit more difficult.

Thanks!

@ToElisium. I actually thought CA had that part right. Once there is a food or water shortage or disease outbreak things should end pretty quick, and you should only be afraid to assault the fortress if you were heavily outnumbered to begin with (in which case the garrison should have sallied). Anyway, having to wait 3-6 turns for a siege to end is already plenty, anymore than that and nobody would ever siege and would only assault.

Any chance you can reduce the attrition taken when under siege? 50% per turn is just too much..

FYI: No update needed for current 1.8.1 version of the game, works fine.
But I do have a balancing request: Could you extend the buffs to the actual garrison? Usually those poor fellows are suffering the most, it might help greatly with sieges even in villages, and make it less certain autoresolve, perhaps.