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Holy Scorchlanders

I legit thought Scorchlanders and Greenlanders were the same in terms of Lore. Just culturally different for stats and the fact that Scorchlanders are more in the desert geographically and Greenlanders were in the only not death green on the map. It never once crossed my mind that they had racism especially since the HN hates every not human race that has at one time or currently tried to genocide humans. Since the Western Hivers never attacked them they just fear them but have never attacked the Hive until possibly very recently causing the fog because of the new Pheonix's bs I assumed. I also have a sneaking suspicion the HN lost a lot of it's knowledge because of the Bug Master Theory and why things seem to be devolving for the HN and the issues with the hivers seem more feasibly the HN. This would easily cause the remaining leaders of the HN want to focus on control over actual religious beliefs as they are out casting the actual reincarnation.

I see. Sorry, you're right that I got a little defensive there. I feel there would be exceptions among Scorchlanders to the point where there would at least be some among the nation.

I label that quote as dishonest to the point where it is at least "doublethink" on their part. The HN employs slaves in the Holy Mines as much as the UC, but 'That's different!' Another example of this is their high level defensive walls and automated wells in their cities, which require high levels of research that come from ancient research books they will arrest you for possessing.

They are hypocrites, and that leads me to think their extremism is, in some cases, fake, and practiced for the sake of control more than actual religious belief.

I was entertaining your point man, no need to get defensive. My point is that not having Scorchlanders in the higher ranks of the Holy Nation is perfectly coherent from what is known in game, if I wasn't clear. Yes the Holy Nation don't have much any issue with Scorchlanders provided they're adherents to their religion. You don't like my Okran theories, cool, I'll concede that then. The thing is that the Scorchlanders, as per their own lore in the game and the quote you shared, don't really want to be down with the Holy Nation due to the disposition on life they have. Some do, sure, but that's the exception not the rule.

Aside: You may see it as dishonest, but I would argue that's imposing a cynicism that isn't necessarily there. It gives you interesting insight into the vision that the Holy Nation has of it's self and place with in their world; weather you agree or not. Nobody is the villain in their own vision after all.

As always, you do you man.

You just completely changed the point from your previous comment, Dutchman. What is it you're really trying to get at?

As an aside, that particular quote of yours is one of the best examples of the HN authority's dishonesty.

I mean...your race really determined your way to think/act? There could be exceptions plus, moll was a ex HN citizen

Okay lets go with that quote; doesn't that prove my point? Scorchlanders desire freedom, and the Holy Nation provides order and rigidity. One likes to drink, one doesn't. That's the reason you don't see the Scorchlanders in the Higher ranks of the Holy nation. It isn't that the Holy Nation is being racist to them, (source; Rebirth dialogue)

"Buy slaves?! We do not take slaves here in the holy lands! Such barbaric practises are not tolerated within the teachings of Okran. You cannot buy beings for your own selfish pursuits! A pure blood must take it upon himself never to take advantage of others, no matter what their misfortunes, no matter what their background!"

It's that Scorchlanders generally don't prefer the Order and rigid lifestyle that the Holy Nation offers. So to include the Scorchlanders at the Higher ranks of the faction that is the antithesis to the lifestyle is more the fan fiction wouldn't you say? Like I said, you do you bud.

That was pure fanfiction, chumbo. It introduces an aspect of racism in the Holy Nation that they simply don't exhibit - that being against their fellow humans.

The main basis of this mod is that Holy Nation treats them the same as Greenlanders in their interactions. So, the reason for their absence must be something else. To quote Scorchlanders' description from character creation:

"Scorchlanders tend to value personal freedoms above all else. They don't tend to get along well with rules, regulations and religions, and as a result have a reputation as social misfits and are often found in more adventurous professions. Despite this however, they are highly creative, making them natural-born traders and skilled weaponsmiths. Honest to a fault, laughing in the face of manners, moderation and anything sensible, they make loyal friends, passionate enemies, and are great fun to drink with."

I think this says all you need to know, without spelling it out for you.

I would just say that logically the Scorchlanders would be seen as Narko affiliated as a general rule. Night and darkeness are the realms of Narko, and the Scorchlanders make up great purportions of the Ninja clans; thieving sneaky ninjas.. You can even argue that the Okranites see the Scorchlanders as being punished by Okran by Scorching them and there lands. Green blessed; scorch cursed. I think most of the Ninja clans are run by female Scorchlanders too? Don't quote me on that one though. That and the Scorchlanders give off Dark Elf vibes to me. Although, as we see from dialogue in rebirth, the Holy Nation are civically minded to an extent in that all can come to know the light of Orkran through Rebirth. Just sayin. You do you.

FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN. I hate how people keep things "mandela effect" by just making shit up and spreading miss information on the community

Realistically, I think it's a lot lower than 20-30%. Decimal spawning rates are weird.