NO F****N way this is literally one of the best games ever made and you just made the character playable :)

I really enjoyed this character and coming back and seeing the things that got removed really made me sad. I agree that at times it felt like it had too much but it was a truly fun character to play with friends in a casual scenario.

When I played the character it simply felt complete and on par to most others, now it just feels like half of the kit is missing, maybe because of the fact that I know what used to be there. And it is an alright character, it just feels less interesting as I did make use of all the tools available.

I won't complain about the creator having it's preferences, but I do agree with the rest in that having the choice of a pre rework version as an option would go a long way.

I agree with your statement that Runes aren't the way to go. They're nigh impossible to balance because it's just asking too much for your opponent to know how to deal with them on top of your already huuuge range of options, but there needs to be something that asks some forethought from the player. I appreciate the depth that can be achieved between the interactions between fighting styles and projectiles (it's actually the main thing I love about this character), but that's all just combo game.

Before you had a level of granularity in yoru strategy that extended even outside the match between your projectile, active fighting style, runes, and selected fighting styles (allowing for a rare opportunity to counterpick). I miss the old version of the character so much because the skill ceiling used to be higher, but post-rework there's just not anything more to grow into because all of your decision making happens moment-to-moment or pre-game.

(1/2) I know it's been a long time since I posted about why I perfer the pre-rework, mainly because I just needed to focuson irl stuff and didn't have time to play. I've still been playing Lucah since the rework and I still stand by my argument.

The problem now is that Lucah has no weight. There is no long-term strategy because you're not managing any resources. Look at the vanilla cast, the only character without a spacial resource is Shovel Knight, and he has his shop. As opposed to Smash, some sort of secondary resource is required in Rivals for characters to feel substantial, as percents and smash attacks don't ask you to change your tact over the course of a game nearly as much.

Just release a pre-rework version, it was seriously your best character in my books.

fair tbh

it look nice lol

Makes sense, but in that case why spawn the shop outside of abyss mode?

to deal with ability bloat they had been redistributed, install and shop had to go to rune. but the passive from items are now tied to stances

Seems like shop and held neutral B install are broken/missing; what's the deal with that?

general fixes, nothing worth noting

What was the patch that came through today?

ok i see it's in the abbyss runes now. Thx for keeping it in!

actually, yeah... Zetta has a pre-patch build out, just make one for Lucah and problem is fixed

i know how to settle this argument! ... idk zetta try making a day 1 thing for this dude or something lol

As of now its purely visual, an homage to the game.

Sorry for asking twice, I couldn't find answers elsewhere, what does the small object that spawns on the ground beside Lucah when the game starts do?

I ended up playing Lucah: Born of a Dream because of this character you had made, it grabbed my interest and I love playing them in Rivals. Regardless of how the character updates and changes they're still my favorite; Thank you for making them!

References are going ways too much into gameplay and take away from the focus on the game, too much reference would just be like sonic spawn 2 flickies om the side for down smash.

Getting stronger as game go on is uneeded, 2 stands with set stats and 4 different projectiles get you access to a gameplay variety barely any characters could keep up with already. All these critism are just dealing with lost in a bad way and not looking at what character actually have.

It's kinda hard to enjoy a game when your main suddenly got all of the depth you loved them for absolutely gutted. I'm not here to whine though, I'm here to provide my analysis of the character's change as someone who has played and loved this character for a ridiculous amount of hours.

Dismissing that analysis because it's "too serious" only gives the idea that you don't believe the character is worthy of any serious discussion, which I disagree with.

I don't even expect my ideas to result in any change to the character (except maybe a legacy version, that'd be nice), that's just a generally disrespectful and unclear way to respond to criticism.

Lucah is awesome, cry more, play the game I highly recommend it (:

Sir this is Lucah comment section not a character tech support section.

jesse what the hell are you talking about

(2/2)

The problem with the shop was that the gimmicks were objective *buffs*. Once you learned not to let them force you into certain footguns, they rarely had any downsides. *That's* what distracted from the base game. The shop runes should only become a buff once you know how to work against their weaknesses with the other two pillars of the character, your projectiles and fighting styles.

At least now Lucah isn't the odd man out in your roster. She went from being an oddly powerful example of what makes the vanilla design philosophy so potent, to an empty husk perfectly reflecting your own design flavor:
She doesn't belong in the game.

-and she certainly isn't flashy or interesting enough to belong in your roster.

(1/2)

Congratulations, you've removed nearly all of your character's depth with a single change. They are now the ubiquitous, generic footsies character that would fit in smash or any other fighting game than Rivals. He has no interesting options or interactions now.

The thing that makes Rivals good is that it isn't about the base mechanics in the game, in fact, you could argue it intentionally oppresses depth in the base mechanics when it simplifies tech such as wave dashing. Rivals is about depth within the characters that gives you the room for creative and free-form expression. Lucah was very nearly the epitome of this: the layered variables that are constantly changing by simply playing him forces you into not only finding what combinations have powerful techniques, but learning how to make every state of projectile, fighting style, and shop rune work to their fullest potential together.

what does the object that appears where you enter the map do? I thought it was the shop from the description but on reading the comments it sounds like it was removed.

I'm glad what you happy with the result but still ask you for public legacy version if that's possible.

I rework character to the state I'm happy with, Lucah with 3rd form and shop while a good reference to source material adding too many excess to gameplay that oppress the base mechanism of the game.

Sai, please, don't move character mechanics into useless mode. this is my favourite character and that rework is painful. strip of all good mechanics, visual noise for showing additional form what make no sense, no additional third form, no shop mechanic...

Can you at least public legacy version if you decide what this is how you want to change character?

I love your workshop characters, they always make me happy to return and play this game a little more, but this is pure pain to witness this rework.

Why the shop gotten move to Rune?

has the transformation ability also moved somewhere else?

moved to rune

no more shop?

Understandable, have a great day.

another attempt to fix the time freeze stuff lol

What was changed in the March 2nd update?

With the blue/purple rune, when you dodge some attacks sometimes the opponent will just fling, got some funny kills with it tho-

This character is my main, I've probably played almost if not more than 30 hours of them at this point (hard to say as I play offline a lot).

The pink (parasitic) rune is broken. It needs to be brought up to 1500 La and/or made to deal only a fraction of the damage. Once you learn to effectively use this rune, it makes the skill of switching fighting styles to tank damage nearly obselete, and that's a shame.

This character has a beautiful progression and takes a long time to fully master the mechanics of (I'm still only recently getting comfortable with the synergies between all of the runes & projectiles, yet to branch out into more fighting style combinations), I have a lot more suggestions for features I'd add and changes I'd make, but some of them would change the face of the character's gameplay almost completely. If you'd like to talk I'm on Discord as Dakedres#7255.

The Aero style's side smash should launch up, like most projectiles. It's too easy to spam with it launching to the side, you can just carry them across the stage. I believe this would create an interesting launch angle when both the physical and projectile hit, which would just add a bit more utility to what feels like a pretty cheap and campy move atm.

why her
why not dutch angel dragons

OH this character is from another game, guess that makes some of the weird mechanics less odd. Still think the shop is a little silly though, that's Shovel Knight's thing.

Great character, but to be absolutely honest, I don't think the shop is great for this one. This character seems really fast-paced and technical overall and stopping to go shopping feels kinda weird to do mid-battle. Maybe that's just me.

Yeah, I don't know if you care enough about Aether Stages or Advanced stages enough to change that.

aether stage man

If the characters spawn on a moving platform, the shop doesn't move with it, causing you to only be able to use it when the platform is close enough to where it started. We have a Picture

hope they play well? Oh you sure didnt know who I am >:)

Woah, a Lucah character. Now this is a pleasant surprise, hope they play well.

Yet another reminder I need to actually finish the games on my backlog :.)

OoO Yooo! This is one of my favourite characters I've come across! I love all of the mode changes and upgrades this dude has; makes me really wanna get good and figure out a 300 IQ play with the character XD
Plus, the design & sprite art are really nice~
Keep up the good work, yo! ^u^

I really love the character and the ammount of options and tools you can have. The moves feel good and are good. Its full of charm and personality remminising from the original and I just love all of it.