I've noticed I don't get faction effects for caps, any way to add that as a mod config option?

aliathra from Legendary High Elven Characters [LHEC] make treekin cost 1 more, instead of 1 less, also both text are red (treekin and treeman)

i think in "character_skill_level_to_effects_junctions_tables" the content of her 2 "value" column should be inverted, making it like alarielle :D

@nugget:
Are you recruiting them to Ikit's army? The effect only applies for his army.

It says Ikit gets forbidden workshop units for cheaper, but the jezzails, doom flayers and ratling guns cost exactly the same as for other units. What is the tooltip referring to?

Hey i have been running this mod in combination with SFO Grimhammer also. I noticed that grimhammer changes some of the cap values of many units, making the effect of many LLs useless. Is there a way to manually change the rules of LLs manually or o compatibility submod?

Looks like Aranessa Saltspite needs specific rule for Maneaters and Maneaters (Ogre Pistol). Like 1 special point instead of 2.

This SEEMS to work for SFO (which already has tabletop caps built in). I haven't run into any issues so far at least.

For anyone curious: Can confirm this works, doesn't need an update for 6.1, and effects all Kislev factions just fine.

I love this mod so far. The only thing I would change is Marcus Wolfhearts special rules. Hes the Huntsmarshal, shouldnt his affected unit be huntsmen instead of wagons? Or is there something in lore that points more towards the wagons? Either way great mod!

@Antagonistes I have the same issue with TTC, without being subbed to this.
It started happening since the last few DLC were added, and TTC doesn't account for any of the new units because it hasn't been updated since may 2024.
Groovy has released a Reborn version of TTC, but that has it's own issues, such as crashing when upgrading units.

Is there any way we can get the price of arachnerok spiders reduced for Raknik Spiderclaw, and/or Snagla Grobspit? Feels weird only being able to recruit one in the spider stack.

@Diaz Ex Machine,
Short answer; I don't play SFO, I don't know how complicated it would be, I don't want to spend any real effort making it compatible.

Long answer; assuming SFO implemeted the core of TTC the same way as the original, including the framework to set special rules the exact same way that I do, then it's just a matter of how much missmatch we have between units and LL database keys and their base TTC cost list. If they changed the base price list, then our special rules might be whacky, even if the unit and LL database keys remains the same.

Hi, is this compatible with SFO or does it need a patch? If the latter is the case, how complicated do you think it would be to make one?

Thanks for this mode, I really love it

@Eskapist
Fixed this now I think, there was a typo.

@Dux thank you for the help! I assumed that the submod was causing the error because it doesn't seem to occur whenever it's disabled. I also noticed that the AI stopped being affected by tabletop caps after the error pops, whatever it is I'll try to investigate on my side.

Can I ask some question? :)
1. What do you mean by Be'lakor's ability Greater Daemons, Exalted Lesser Daemons? I'd like to know the units that apply.
2. also what is emp Heavy Artillery, vmp Monster Pen Rares?

The Manfred faction bonus of grave guard being core units does not seem to extend to the newly introduced halberd variant

@Antagonistes:
The script error is occurring within the TTC base script, not anything that seems related to this submod specifically. It appears like it's checking a character that has no faction somehow, which is throwing an error. It probably isn't breaking anything, but I'm sure it's annoying. I would inquire with the authors of AI mod you're using to see what they could be doing that might lead to this situation.

Hey there! Sorry for disturbing, I'm trying to figure out an incompatibility with Stronger and Fairer AI and this submod. It seems that during the end turn mid campaign, a script error occurs when going through Vampire Coast special rules.
Here is the log : https://filebin.net/3bk3ecyxoee2efu9
Any idea what it could be?

makes sense. i wouldnt expect you to! sounds like a lot of work. i was just curious because some other things in the game work like that

@DK44, this is now fixed.
@diggngdwarf26, it's not compatible like that out of the box. every new unit needs to be specifically tied to a bonus. Currently I don't plan to add support for mods that are pure units and not Legendary Lords.

in terms of mod compatibility, are special rules hard coded per unit, or do they work like tech tree and skill buffs? for example, lets say a mod adds a more offensive sort of tree kin unit, and it benefits from tree kin techs and buffs and such. would it get the cost reduction from drychas treekin effect?

@DK44:
Good catch. The special rule for Golgfag is lowering the TTC weight value for all Maneater units, the Eshin Maneater included, which leads to his rare status being effectively disabled. This will be fixed.

First of all, thanks for this great mod =)

I think I found a bug. With this mod, the Eshin Maneater for Golgfag's faction costs 0 special points instead of 1.

Greasus + Skrag work normally.

Thank you!

@Xuanne:
The update is for the "reborn" version, which will be the home of TTC going forward.

Hello, is the new update based on the Reborn version of Tabletop Caps, or still based on the original discontinued version?

Thank you for your hard work :)

I re-uploaded it now, sometimes I fail with the upload :-S

yes, in the description this mod does not apply changes to new heroes.

you can see the difference when you choose the heroes, the new ones lack the description

It seems that the mod isn't applying to Arbaal. Both variants of Chosen are still two special instead of one special like his trait indicates.

Thanks Alex_Roslyn , we know and will update towards it.

Hello! It may be useful to know that there is a reborn version of the original mod, whose author has retired from modding.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3386989556

Good day!

Thanks

Thanks I rly appreciate it

@Salzmann:
The main TTC mod hasn't even been updated for 6.0 yet. It will happen, just give it a little time.

can we update this for the new LL's

@Dux
I got to the third one as well, all seem to be bugged, first costs -1, second 0, and third also costs -1. Just FYI.

@Dux
Looks like there is an error on the first Imrik quest Dragon it costs (-1) instead of (1) reducing the overall upkeep for the rare tokens.

Hi it doesn't work on my game the units that should be reduced aren't . Don t understand why . Need too activate sometnig ?

@Dux
In MCT I just enable it, nothing else. However, I play it with SFO which already includes TT cap. I am guessing this must be the problem.

@Hadestheroth:
Ku'gath should not be able to recruit Great Unclean Ones for one rare. Are you sure you aren't modifying the value in some other way (e.g., with MCT settings)?

Hi Guys! First, thanks for the cool mod, it is much appreciated. I wonder if you'll make an update soon. There are inconsistencies in the number of rare points that units should cost in regard to what it is reported (e.g., Ku'gath being able to recruit unclean ones for 1 and not 2). I think it applies for quite a few units.

Louen Leonceur should have a bonus for Grail Knights not Alberic who in the Warhammer lore is not even a Grail Knight but Louen is. There was even a special rule where his army could have more Grail Knights than standard armies. Alberic should have the bonus to Questing Knights instead because he dreams to go on the Quest when possible.

@Naeven

Would you be opposed to putting up pictures of all lords and special rules or making a list that is pinned having the unique rules of lords?

Can you make a tutorial on how to do this ourselves? There are many mods that this one doesn't cover, maybe others could try and expand it with submods. I could give it a shot too.

My Suggestion:
The rules of Miao Ying, Zhao Ming, Balthesar Gelt and similar, of course, feel quite overpowered, so I wouldn't suggest similar rules, but to keep a little bit of balance, I think making him decrease the cost of Jade and Jet Lions to just one special, plus decrease the cost of Onyx crowmen from one special to core, is the right amount.

This rule feels much more useful, while also not overpowered, as a bonus it also very thematic and lore friendly, as the onyx crowmen are his own spies network.

Nevertheless, thanks for your continued work and awesome support.

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Hi @Naeven, thanks for your hard work.

A small feedback from my side: The unique rule you chose for Yuan Bo, feels quite underwhelming when compared to others in my opinion. Him making the Jade and Jet Lions use up two instead of three special points (With three being already quite unjustified IMHO) doesn't feel very helpful. These units should have been two special points from the beginning.

But putting their initial pricing by the base mod aside. When you compare this rule to e.g. Miao Ying's rule, which is very powerful, given that the Celestial Dragon Crossbowmen are some of the best units in the entire game and she reduces them from 1 rare to 1 special, which is a huge amount. Also e.g. Balthesar Gelt's rule, which decreases the cost of Luminarks from 3 rare to just 1, and they have just a ridicules sniping damage output. One kinda feels that Yuan Bo's rule is quite useless.

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@AwwHEEEALNaw That’s fine. Give us a link when it’s done 👍🏻

@AwwHEEEALNaw, can you post a link to it when you finish it? (:

going to make a submod of this to work with SFO for myself, you ok with me posting it? Will credit you ofc. Doesn't bother me either way