I initially really liked this map, however now it feels like it has issues similar to why I find Crasher to be incredibly unfun. At least as of right now, the bomb carrier is not fun to play against.

Players on BLU have pretty much figured out the most efficient way to deliver the bomb (Zatoichi Demo or Soldier, Battalion's Soldier, Vacc Medics on the carrier), and it just becomes boring to play with and against time after time. The bomb carrier having full crits only made this worse.

Basically, it was extremely fun at first, but now that everyone just does the same exact efficient tactics when they're on BLU, it's no longer that enjoyable. Similar fate as Crasher pretty much.

oh there's a pinned discussion about suggestions, sorry for not posting there instead i was too focused on writing my message below.

Hey, whenever another update happens
Could you make the bomb carrier explode after a while in overtime? like 5 minutes max? because as of writing this, there is a giant heavy that refuses to move foward and it's just a infinite stalemate, it gets boring QUICK.

check again and keep checking

Where are those rats that were in the box? 🥺

You can just camp outside the choke to last as a giant, wait for your teammates to push, then sprint to the final point. Super cheesy and that's how most games play out. I just came from a game that lasted 30 minutes in overtime because of this. Make healing the robot impossible in overtime.

i do not think the robot needs crits but it will be fucking hilarious none the less

Maybe instead of giving minicrits, give carrier "strenght" or "haste" Mannpower powerup (or both).

Awesome, those changes will make the Carrier more viable. Thank you for the time.

The full changelog will be available when the map is updated, though the major buffs are changing their mini-crits to crits, as well as some damage resistance against miniguns and sentries. In the following weeks we may make more balance changes.

Would you mind saying what the buffs and changes will be? The carrier is really nerfed and you can get some community feedback.

In a future update the carrier will have both robot voicelines and a few buffs to help strengthen them. This update should hopefully be very soon.

Would be better if the carrier have deep robotic voice, not deep human voice.

Also I feel they are really weak and can be easily killed by defenders.

I made it by starting here:
https://youtu.be/fdpTT2pqIVY?list=PL2KT0JL74Qff_c1WbqNi4K5yAmpWAUQlq

how did u make this

i know im late but i gotta say it, this is way more enjoyable then smasher and yeah.. it was fun playing it through the whole smissmas!

I'm aware of that, I just thought that maybe the map had a Smissmas element I wasn't aware of.

Sad to see that the map is no longer available to play.

I don't decide whether or not the map gets put into the permanent rotation. That is Valve's decision.

Why is it no longer available in casual? It's a snowy map, not a smissmas map. It has no christmas decorations.

Why is the map design more cramped than goldrush?

Issue with Casual mode where some custom assets won't load after awhile. All maps have this issue, you'll have to restart your game.

For some reason, the giant's healthbar has missing textures. Is this an issue with the map or is it only for me? https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3123407000

Is it possible to add a timer to the Carriers?
I had to kick a guy today because he wouldn't stop retreating and making it impossible to win

idk

WHERE IS THE FROG

added to report a semi-out of bounds bug on carriers :p

Jolly, there's a bug you need to fix: Giant robots can take Teleporters.

I'm not sure if this is intended, but the Carrier has a huge area around it that reveals RED cloaked Spies, as if they were bumping into a player - even if they are a reasonable distance away from the Carrier and nowhere near bumping them. This bug also happens even if there is a wall between the Carrier and the Spy.

Really liked the map, but here's a question, why not make all of BLU team be gray's robots? would be funny.

I love this map, it's so much fun, too bad this will be completely evaporated for an entire year once Smissmas 2023 ends. I wish Valve kept Smissmas and Halloween maps on the queue on a separate section or something, because I miss playing Crasher too.

Don't worry, I don't believe you've directly used any of my work. It's just a bizarre experience on my end seeing this Crasher-inspired map exist and be added, and feeling some ownership (rightfully or not) of the idea/mode.

I've thoroughly looked through all the contents/assets of the map and kept track of all the contributors. If you believe you may have created a component of the map without being credited or without your permission please let me know ASAP.

@heaven and hello, that's cool and all but i wasn't contacted or credited whatsoever

So here's my question right.
Are the human players being turned into robots, or are they controlling a robot suit like EVA?

I love the concept and it's too early to tell, but it seems extremely easy for blue to spawncamp and just win easily. The giants make defensive holds quite difficult since robots can just walk into sentries without having to care. hopefully its just an issue with it being new

Congrats on getting this map officially added to TF2! Nice to see Frontline and Stop That Tank aspects officially on the game!

@Yrrzy The deal is that your ctf gamemode involving the giants is too cool to be for only 1 holiday.

What? How have I never heard of this? YOU CAN PLAY AS THE ROBOTS?

What's different between this and the one submitted by Valve's request? is it just the creators are tagged

oh wow

congrats!

IT GOT IN‼️‼️‼️‼️

hey whats the deal?

congrats!

This is much better idea, than prop hunt that's for sure

crasher but big robot

What happened to Courier?

very nice

This is nice map that should be in nice update

does this work with bots?