Ignore my previous post. Mod compatibility issue.

The under cities underneath my own settlements disappear after I go into combat and come back to the world map. Why would this be occurring? Any way to fix it?

ok thx so the undercities from your mod expanded also with a chance ?

@Nexus, yep still works - haven't tested it with Hertz undercities, give it a crack and let us know?

@♥♥♥♥♥♥, unfortunately no, landmarks involve editing startpos which would make this far less compatible with other mods I'm afraid. If there's a fancy Skaven landmark that might be a reason to fully occupy it instead.

Does this mod enable you to build landmarks found in the settlement your building under?

still working ? compatible with hertz undercities ?

The mafia building line and the raiding camp. They steal 20% of the city's income, and give it to you instead. The tooltip is confusing to look at, but the numbers are correct.

ie reduces the total income of the settlement above by 20%, and gives you 25% of their (now reduced) income. 0.8 * 1.25 = 1 . Split between both of you, the total is the same. Pointless to build under yourself lol. Probably better to use excavators under your long-term "allies" for the trade bonus.

Yep @Ejire, that building is designed to be built under an enemy settlement, so you're both gaining income and making them lose income. It's not beneficial to build it under your own settlement (unless you plan on selling it to someone else).

Or you use it only in enemy settlement and remove it when you capture it.

Well from what i've seen of the ratkin mafia, it's not worth it. It uses food, uses a slot and for me it logically doesn't give any money at all because.

If you remove 50% of the money a building gives then gives it 100% more money... Does it even do anything ?

What does it do ?

1. 50% of 150 = 75 --> 75 +100% of 75 = 75 + 75 = 150 ?
--> it doesn't give anything just use a slot and food to upkeep

Or is it :
2. 50% of 150 = 75 --> 75 + 100% of 150 = 75 + 150 = 225 ?
--> it gives +50% income basically but is it really worth it to build this instead of creating a building decreasing building cost, increase research rate or even the food building ? Especially since one of them gives 100 income and the other 400 ? It might be worth it in settlement with a huge port like Bordeleaux, Marienburg, Lothern or one with a gold mine.

@bladeofxp, good question, I hadn't checked that. You're right, the order of operations currently does penalise the parent settlement's income first before calculating your slice, which wasn't my intent. Changing the actual order is a bit beyond my ken as a modder, so I've increased the income gain effect proportionately to offset the amount lost (e.g. 20->25%, 50->100%). It does mean the predicted income on the tooltip before you build it is wildly overstated, but at least it's more in line with what was intended.

@LegendofEstalia, the above fix might solve your issue as well - Ratkin Mafia was definitely underperforming before. Let me know how it feels now.

Can you please change Ratkin Mafia building chain? Its kindda dumb that you only make a little more money than the other income building. It doesnt feel all that useful tbh,

Hiya, love the changes, but I have one question: does reducing the income that settlements make affect the income that you steal from them? Is there an order of operations, here, such that we steal money before reducing their income, or are we cutting our own income in half in the process?

@shurix, I haven't been able to replicate any crashes, what were you doing when it crashed? Also I just pushed an update for 5.1, so if there were any shenanigans in 5.0.4 I didn't notice it should be resolved now. Give it a try now?

Mod crashes my game, it was the only mod activated

@Naustghoul, the methods for creating Undercities remain unchanged, so there's no way to create an Undercity under a settlement you already control. This mod only makes it so if you acquire a settlement with a pre-existing Undercity, you don't blow it up in the process. They're still designed to be at their most beneficial when leeching off other factions though, so I didn't think this was much of a problem - you'd only really want an Undercity under your own settlement if you were planning on pawning it off to another faction for cash or sweet trade deals.

@Wolf, total conversions are a bit out of scope for me to test, sorry :( never used Radious before so wouldn't know where to start. Give it a crack and let us know here if you find out.

I must be missing some key element here... How do I build the bloody undercity in a city I already own?

p.s. love the idea and yer face for making this.

Amazing mod ! thanks you ! :)

Does this work well with Radious?

They work together, yes, but it's a bit janky with existing saves. Better to start a new campaign before turning that one on.

Will it work with https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3228731182&searchtext= for moar undercity slots?

Hurray!

Had a chance to check and yep this works fine with Skaven Settlements: Under-Cities Survive Razing. There's a lot of overlap between the two mods so using both doesn't affect much, but it means on top of everything in Undercity Empires you'll also get the dilemma asking if you want to auto-colonise a razed settlement after a couple of turns, and you'll keep your Undercity underneath when you do.

@Pious Skeleton I think they’re asking for compatibility, because another feature of that mod is that you get a dilemma to take over a ruin as long as you have an under city below it.

I'd be curious if it works or could be made to work with the other Skaven Settlement mods however

@BloodW0lf it does the same thing so that mod is redundant

alrighty then at least the AI will make use of this and maybe in due time get better with it. but that would require a better ai mod or so to do that.

Holy maccaroni, this is something I've wanted since the SoC dlc was released! Amazing work :)

Great question, I would like to know too!

any idea if it works with this? https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2914955087&searchtext=Under+cities

Both, though the player can obviously take more strategic advantage of Undercities. The AI will still plonk them down haphazardly the way they always have

Ai only?
Player only?
Or both?

It's doable for sure, but you'd need to redesign most of the buildings since there's no army or hero recruitment in the base Undercity buildings, plus you'd miss out on all the fun Skaven landmarks around the map. Also the Trickster is kind of... way too easy, in my opinion? If you don't need to defend anything at all the game feels a lot less engaging, I find. I think this is a good balance but YMMV!

Have you tried making all skaven operate like the trickster cult - where they *only* have undercities?