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Strider 1 14 Jun, 2020 @ 10:30am
(Mod idea) Child prisoners
Now I can already sense the bad taste of people just reading the title but stick with me.
This I sort of got inspired from after watching a couple of little S***s vandalizing on a video yesterday.
So I thought "if only they could get punished for that properly" and somehow I started thinking about child prisoners in this game, isn't it wonderful how the mind works?

Now I know there's a lot of red flags in this idea, but I thought about this as more of a funny idea for a little messing around and also thought of ways to eliminate these red flags, like for example:

Child prisoners can't DIE! ok so? how could you make this not be super easy? well, I thought of some kind of system where if they get hurt and stay hurt, or have some kind of meter that if filled up because of miss treatment or bad conditions, you would be fined and have that prisoner be taken away from you via transfer or something.

another thing was drugs and alcohol, though those could just be turned into Candy and fizzy pop.

I know its silly but that's the point!
Basically making the prison a full reform system with potentially its own challenges.

Now I'm, not a modder, I've tried multiple times and failed. coding is just not for me. But I thought it wouldn't hurt throwing the idea out there in case someone gets inspired to make it or something like it.
If someone does make it tho, let me know because id is happy donating or contributing towards it!

thanks for reading if you read it through and please don't take this in any bad way or start throwing abuse, its all meant to be a fun or funny idea and a joke, unless it actually gets made in which case it would be a funny mod! (hopefully)
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Cursed Hawkins 14 Jun, 2020 @ 10:43am 
How about no! Last I recall Prison Architect is about building and maintaining a maximum security prison not an youth detention center.
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The Queen Salis 1 14 Jun, 2020 @ 11:04am 
Actually, some kids out there can have various substance addictions and it is often correlated with poverty and/or criminal behaviour in various ways. You think they won't seek alcohol if they're already used to it in their home or peer group?

Punishing children for behaviours they clearly got either from someone else or from neglect is just grim, unless you make an entirely different game where you can't abuse them like many a player does to their adult prisoners and brags about it.

Also, I believe there is some Academia simulator thingie game (visually similar to PA) where you manage a private school you can treat like a prison if you feel like it. Go buy that.
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Strider 1 14 Jun, 2020 @ 11:13am 
Originally posted by The Queen Salis:
Actually, some kids out there can have various substance addictions and it is often correlated with poverty and/or criminal behaviour in various ways. You think they won't seek alcohol if they're already used to it in their home or peer group?

Punishing children for behaviours they clearly got either from someone else or from neglect is just grim, unless you make an entirely different game where you can't abuse them like many a player does to their adult prisoners and brags about it.

Also, I believe there is some Academia simulator thingie game (visually similar to PA) where you manage a private school you can treat like a prison if you feel like it. Go buy that.
yeh, i quess your right, it would still turn bad even i you tried to keep it sfw, it all depends on the players. but i thought it was a fun little idea.

i think you missunderstood my intentions on why i made this post but a school builder game sounds like fun, i will check it out. thanks
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The Queen Salis 1 14 Jun, 2020 @ 11:56am 
Originally posted by Tankok1998:
yeh, i quess your right, it would still turn bad even i you tried to keep it sfw, it all depends on the players. but i thought it was a fun little idea.

i think you missunderstood my intentions on why i made this post but a school builder game sounds like fun, i will check it out. thanks
very possible, I don't believe I have full grasp of your intention just based on one forum post.
Btw, you can always RolePlay these changes in your head and play a full-reform no-death prison. I find that approach quite satisfying in its own.

Btw, one particular question appears every couple months in the forums:
"could I execute that prisoner who annoys me?"
I'll just leave it there :)
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Kuromiya 15 Jun, 2020 @ 5:04pm 
Aren't there ALREADY child prisoners in the game? I just started playing again after a couple+year hiatus, but I seem to recall Women's Prisons getting overrun with child prisoners once you started building family cells.

That said, a Juvie mod would nice, yes.
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Soleimans 27 Jun, 2020 @ 10:47am 
Sounds kind of like a Youth detention center. Nothing morally wrong with depicting that in a mod. It could offer quite different and interesting gameplay compared to the base game
Last edited by Soleimans; 28 Jun, 2020 @ 6:13am
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Strider 1 28 Jun, 2020 @ 12:52am 
Originally posted by Jg. Bähr |9.K|:
Sound kind of like a Youth detention center. Nothing morally wrong with depicting that in a mod. It could offer quite different and interesting gameplay compared to the base game
That was the idea! Thank you for seeing it :D
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♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 1 3 Aug, 2020 @ 7:08pm 
A juvie mode would be pretty cool but it's unlikely to ever be implemented.

I think the issue people might have with your approach is that you're taking the concept too lightly.
A lot of the kids that actually end up in detention centers are victims of circumstance (poverty, abuse, addiction, lack of education, etc). The focus should be more on rehabilitating and reforming the kids than just punishing them. Having juvies would definitely open up a lot of great ideas for reform programs and stuff that could be implemented (like social services and group homes), but there's the discomfort of how real to make it.
Unfortunately. a lot of the actual prison experience is simply out of the game's scope. It's a heavy subject, and it's difficult to maintain the balance between having a fun and lighthearted game and being respectful of the topic.
You have to remember, once they're free, there's pretty much nothing that you can do to really help them except hope that the time they spent in prison was worthwhile.
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The Queen Salis 1 4 Aug, 2020 @ 3:31am 
The way I see it, the game was intended as a commentary on immorality that can stem from the very concept of "for-profit prisons".
The gameplay would make it increasingly difficult to treat prisoners as humans as the money got tighter.

Modding it to represent juvenile detention centers is possible in theory, but I still would hope for it to be treated with care and respect such a topic deserves. Implementing stricter cell/solitary requirements to force the player to be more humane for instance.

Both ignoring the substance abuse issue and depicting it have their own set of pitfalls. The former is naive. The latter I don't know how Steam Community will react to.

I don't think anyone is willing to create an entire set of youth-looking sprites to overhaul the adult/old looking sprites that exist now, but I could be wrong. We have a pandemic and people are bored.
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dragonsphotoworks 18 Aug, 2020 @ 9:04pm 
Originally posted by Lahké ako facka:
A juvie mode would be pretty cool but it's unlikely to ever be implemented.

I think the issue people might have with your approach is that you're taking the concept too lightly.
A lot of the kids that actually end up in detention centers are victims of circumstance (poverty, abuse, addiction, lack of education, etc).

The same could be said about this game and adults. So that in itself isnt good reason. Now fact they get nude in showers... and would need large rework of reform programs. But I can see why would want the mod. But do to some issues it might not get made.
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