Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

Führerreich [LEGACY]
[PBS] Revan 28 Jun, 2018 @ 12:25pm
Zapadoslavia Issues
Ok, please don't take it the wrong way, I know the mod is still in early stages and many things aren't exactly finished yet, but there are several Issues I need to bring up regrading Zapadoslavia and central Europe in general.

The whole Zapadoslavia thing isn't exactly plausible the way it's portrayed here. First of all there are no Czech\Bohemia cores - for unknown reasons. You can have separate Moravia and Sudetenland, but not Czechia\Bohemia? When you puppet it, you can have Zapadoslavia and all it's parts as separate countries at the same time, but you can't partition it completely - it's honestly ridiculous.

And strangest of all - there is "Bohemia" country in the game, with the "BOH" tag. And you can liberate it, in the borders of Czechia when you take over. But it's only called Bohemia in the system files. In the game it's still called Zapadoslavia, and all things except the focus tree are the same - it's just a little different color. Why? Are you planning on correcting this further into the development?

And I still can't get why the Zapadoslavia tag is "CEN" and it's called "Centroslavia" in system files. I suppose it's probably a relic of first stages of the development and you just didn't bother to change it at this point, but so far it's really counter intuitive when you try to tinker with the mod's possibilities and mechanics via console.

Next thing is Poland. Ok - I get it, partly - the relations between the Zapadoslavia and Poland are slightly imitating the relations between Yugoslavia and Bulgaria. Both basically claim the neighbors territory by their name alone,l but Historically separate states. Except you can claim whole Bulgaria as Yugoslavia in Vanilla, but you can't do it to Poland as Zapadoslavia. Why? You somehow have a focus "Attack Stanislawow" that gives you annex war goal against Poland, as if Stanislawow is whole Poland - it's just silly. Not even mentioning that Ukrainians ought to have nothing to do with it anyhow, since they are not western Slavs.

I don't understand what it's supposed to be at this point, I hope you explain it to me and fix it in the near future.

I would really like to see a focus tree for both Poland and Zapadoslavia to merge both countries into single Western slav state, in similar way to Franco-British union in Vanilla - the country's name alone simply predisposes this. It'd be great to see maybe "Greater Zapadoslavia" this way, and possibly additional focus tree branch for after the merge, with route to "Greater Slavia" - where all Slavic nations could also be claimed.


So far "Zapadoslavia" really seems strange the way it is right now, it's prospects in matter of flavor are really limited - if it's conquered it's still Zapadoslaiva somehow, even if it's only Czechs left, and it can't properly unite western Slavic people in non conquest manner, and even that isn't looking that authentic - as invasion of "Stanislawow" follows "Liberate Ukrainians" focus, which brings a nation totally unrelated to the western slav Union in the first place. Carpathian Ruthenians could be brought into this for their geography and history, but without dropping the "Zapad" prefix, the Ukrainians don't fit there at all - Galicia and Lodomeria thing is really irrelevant - as western Ukrainians didn't feel themselves in any particular way connected to other Slavs in Austria-Hungary - I mean, Zapadoslavia could somehow claim the region this way, I guess, being mostly former Habsburg Empire lands, but it could never easily core it - it'd be a pretty weak claim, really.

The "Slavic Empire" focus feels like a joke at this point - first time I saw it I thought it's an opportunity to unite all the Slavs somehow, but this is just a national spirit, there's nothing imperial about it - no further claims or anything.

A lot of missed opportunities here so far - a shame really. I hope this get remedied somehow - the Polish-Zapadoslav (on Both sides preferably) merger opportunity would be a great thing, further focus onto greater, real Slavic Empire would also be really neat. And please - normal Czech cores and country name - right now you can have 2 Zapadoslavias on on the map simultaneously it looks pretty bad.

By the way, "Centroslavia" thing may be a good idea for alternate name for a country - it probably loses any claims on Polish lands as western slavs, but would kind of fix the inconsistency with the focus tree. I'd still prefer the former way, but it's an option. Also would like to see Silesia And Lusatia cores - if you add Sudetenland And Moravia, why not have others as well? Since Silesia is divided between Zapadoslavia and Poland, could also be a good opportunity for further claims\merger justification. Also - possibility to claim Ostmark as former parts of Lusatia would be great too.

As a last thing - it's great to see "Polish-Lithuanian Federation" present - at least some version of the Commonwealth is here - nice already. But my complaint is - it's not full fledged cosmetic tag - there seems to be only one variant of the name and flag, and it's a bit Disappointing (although the flag isn't that pretty, it is a bit unique as far as Commonwealth flags go). It'd be great to see more flavor here, and possibly - Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Commonwealth variant - Zapadoslavia vibes really do remind me of this one. It'd be great to see these as further possibilities.

Of course this all would be future things - I know you got your hands full. Just some questions and ideas, although I suspect you yourself have probably though about this already anyway.
Last edited by [PBS] Revan; 28 Jun, 2018 @ 12:36pm
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Big Guy 4 Jul, 2018 @ 9:14am 
I would like a way to liberate just bohemia as an ethnonationalist germany while getting back all of my territory and returning the polish clay as well.
[PBS] Revan 5 Jul, 2018 @ 9:26pm 
Exactly! You can only liberate\satellite it as "Zapadoslavia", even in Bohemia-only borders right now, which is really out of place under nationalist German rule, that would most certainly deny the west slavic union right for existance. Doing this to Poland, is much easier as it's not a union, even if it turns into the "federation".
Engie, Mann 7 Jul, 2018 @ 9:01pm 
Back in teh early stages of the mod I ran arund the dev discord and I can confirm that zapadoslavia was called Centroslavia and it was a complete and utter cancer (I remember one of teh devs saying it was something they kinda cobbled together).

Zapadoslavia at least looks bearable.
Engie, Mann 7 Jul, 2018 @ 9:02pm 
Even if it only exists as an obstacle for my panzer and TST divisions
[PBS] Revan 11 Jul, 2018 @ 7:15am 
I only said Centroslavia was a variant that could work for me, it's not the central issue here really. It's rather about Zapadoslavia always being only Zapadoslavia and not \empire under fascist\valkist government or something - and there's no proper bohemia tag - only same zapadoslavia clone.
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