Stellaris

Stellaris

(Government Overhaul Open Beta)
Political Biases and Detrimental Civics
Theres a bunch of Misconceptions and Political biases in this Mod, as well as civics that actually hurt the player for no Advantage.

Fascism in this game is described as Effectively National bolshevism (Which is a very obscure meme Ideology, And should have its own civic} or just authoritarian Welfare state. Fascism in real life is Anti Socialist and has a Corporatist Economic policy Biased in favour of monopolies over small businesses, Which is not socialism. Also it can be used in fanatic Xenophiles.

The "Anti Fascism" Civic is ridiciously biased, And Has broken requirments making it compatible with fascism, And is the same thing as fascism, Making it functionally pointless apart from to make a very Subjective Political statement. This Focus should either be removed or changed to be less bad (For example "This society believes that Radical Nationalists and Xenophobes are a threat to society and should be shut down", Which is not biased in favour or against} And actually have a different effect to fascism. This is a terrible civic which is probably just Fascism copypasted (For obvious Political Reasons}.
I get that your a conservative and would not support antifascism, But making it The literal same thing as fascism and Giving the description as pretty much just "Bad" is not good.

The Revolutionary Foundation civic is just bad and gives no advantages and is pretty much a debuff that gives your Government a different name.

Also why is communism Incompatible with Democracy. Theres nothing Preventing an Anarchist communist Democracy, And "Muh hooman nature" Is only applicable to humans. I dont get why it has to use Either Egalitarian or authoritarian but not neither.

I get that this is just a big merger of mods, So Civics vary from Incomplete, Biased and Bad, To good, Unbiased and Usefull, And the sheer amount of civics makes it hard to Check, but Try and find things that Do not make sense or are compatible with Polar opposites.

Last edited by Brisbane Socialist; 14 Aug, 2018 @ 1:04am
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Chastity the Celibate  [developer] 14 Aug, 2018 @ 4:30am 
Originally posted by Ackoli:
Theres a bunch of Misconceptions and Political biases in this Mod, as well as civics that actually hurt the player for no Advantage.

Fascism in this game is described as Effectively National bolshevism (Which is a very obscure meme Ideology, And should have its own civic} or just authoritarian Welfare state. Fascism in real life is Anti Socialist and has a Corporatist Economic policy Biased in favour of monopolies over small businesses, Which is not socialism. Also it can be used in fanatic Xenophiles.

The "Anti Fascism" Civic is ridiciously biased, And Has broken requirments making it compatible with fascism, And is the same thing as fascism, Making it functionally pointless apart from to make a very Subjective Political statement. This Focus should either be removed or changed to be less bad (For example "This society believes that Radical Nationalists and Xenophobes are a threat to society and should be shut down", Which is not biased in favour or against} And actually have a different effect to fascism. This is a terrible civic which is probably just Fascism copypasted (For obvious Political Reasons}.
I get that your a conservative and would not support antifascism, But making it The literal same thing as fascism and Giving the description as pretty much just "Bad" is not good.

The Revolutionary Foundation civic is just bad and gives no advantages and is pretty much a debuff that gives your Government a different name.

Also why is communism Incompatible with Democracy. Theres nothing Preventing an Anarchist communist Democracy, And "Muh hooman nature" Is only applicable to humans. I dont get why it has to use Either Egalitarian or authoritarian but not neither.

I get that this is just a big merger of mods, So Civics vary from Incomplete, Biased and Bad, To good, Unbiased and Usefull, And the sheer amount of civics makes it hard to Check, but Try and find things that Do not make sense or are compatible with Polar opposites.

Anti-Fascism is bugged.

Fascism is definitely socialist (but prefers State Capitalism policy, obviously). Fascism represents the racist side of the left. Fascism = National Socialism, Communism = International Socialism.

Communism should be compatible with democracy, thanks for reporting that.

Rebolutionary Foundation is bugged.

Anarchist civic has yet to be added (Actually I think my plan was to have Communism and Democracy you needed Anarchist.

Yes, I’m politically biased against Antifa, they are not racist fascists (= communist). And are pretty much the violent militant wing of the Democratic part.

Thanks for the input.
Chastity the Celibate  [developer] 14 Aug, 2018 @ 4:31am 
Also, Communism is Egalitarian in thought but Authoritarian in practice, and I didn’t want to make two civics for Marxist and Stalinist/Leninst Communism, so I merged them and let people RP.
metternich1815 16 Aug, 2018 @ 7:18am 
Fascism is a right-wing ideology. The fact that you said it is left-wing confirms what the the OP is saying.
Chastity the Celibate  [developer] 16 Aug, 2018 @ 7:05pm 
Originally posted by metternich1815:
Fascism is a right-wing ideology. The fact that you said it is left-wing confirms what the the OP is saying.

Believe what you want, but Big Government, State Controlled media, state controlled healthcare, and state controlled education are all leftist ideas present in the Nazi Party platform.
Exhale 17 Aug, 2018 @ 1:34am 
It's only in American politics that the Left-Right spectrum extends from 'More government' to 'Less government' respectively. In the rest of the world, Europe in particular, the spectrum ranges from 'Internationalism' to 'Nationalism'. That is why there is some confusion as to what side of the spectrum 'Fascism' falls on.
Last edited by Exhale; 17 Aug, 2018 @ 1:36am
Chastity the Celibate  [developer] 17 Aug, 2018 @ 2:54am 
Originally posted by Exile:
It's only in American politics that the Left-Right spectrum extends from 'More government' to 'Less government' respectively. In the rest of the world, Europe in particular, the spectrum ranges from 'Internationalism' to 'Nationalism'. That is why there is some confusion as to what side of the spectrum 'Fascism' falls on.

Good point, I guess it’s just an extreme ideology regardless.
@Exile
I hate that "Nationalsim vs Internationalism" Political spectrum, I just view it as end-of-history Liberal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. No one even Realises that worker-ownership of the means of production exists (And works well), and people just assume that socialism = more government.

Socialism is acutally communal ownership of the means of production, Which means that the Society as a whole owns the means of production instead of a collection of individuals / one individual. Examples of working socialism include:

- Rojava : A Kurdish Semi-indipendent state in northen syria, Which has a democratic socialist government. Regarded to be the best place in syria (And probably all of the middle east) by pretty much everyone.

- Spanish civil war (1936-1939), Catalonia : Example of Anarchist Syndaclism, And the origin of the red/black flag of modern anarcho communists

- There is some towns in mexico run by the Zapatista rebels, Who are socialist. Although pretty obscure, this is still an interesting example

- Free territory of ukraine (1918-1921), First anarchist country. Invaded by the soviet union. Had a flag that looked like the pirate flag, And they were pretty good

Communism is not Complete state control, and instead is a stateless, Classless society run under direct communal democracy. The end goal of Some types of socialism. The USSR, PRC, Ect, Never claimed to be communist, only socialist or attempting to reach socialism.


Antifa? owo
@Home Despot
I actually manadged to convince the Dev to change some civics and remove some biases, as well as a potential "Communal economy" Civic that Gives workerownership of the means of production. Its generally a better idea to not just fling insults in arguments, as that just Distances potential symphasisers.

While Fascists are beyond saving and are scumbags, I dont think its a bad idea to debate conservatives.
Last edited by Brisbane Socialist; 18 Aug, 2018 @ 2:51am
Chastity the Celibate  [developer] 18 Aug, 2018 @ 3:14am 
Originally posted by Home Despot:
Mod developer is a political illiterate and the mod ain't worth downloading, thx for saving me some time Ackoli

Hey, you don’t have to be such a jerk man, this is a place for civilized discussion no matter your political beliefs. I already deleted one comment attacking @Ackoli, because that’s just not right. I’ve reported and deleted yours because there is no substantial argument in it. If you have a problem, please post your complaints in a civilized matter.
What did someone say?
I dont realy mind if someone called me an idiot on the internet
Chastity the Celibate  [developer] 18 Aug, 2018 @ 3:23am 
Originally posted by Ackoli:
What did someone say?
I dont realy mind if someone called me an idiot on the internet

“hey shut up stinky commie”

Copy & pasted. People need to be like you if they want to have any influence on the mod.
TurtleShroom 21 Aug, 2018 @ 12:50pm 
> Actually supporting Antifa

I don't know how it works in Europe, but in America, Antifa is literally a domestic terror network.

Also, I applaud OP for seriously taking into consideration the improvements to Civics for ideological enemies. I hate Marxism with a burning passion, but I completely agree that the Mod should be neutral as much as possible. This is particularly pleasing to me because I just got out f a fight with th "Alpha Mod" guy who deleted my comments (and the comments of several others) for "trolling". In actuality, he didn't like my opposition to his butt hurt about the upcoming economy overhaul.

(I particularly like the clever solution for the Marxist system: either authoritarian OR egalitarian, to represent RL Marxist states, and true communism, the end stage goal of Marxism. I mean, if we can give Utopian Abundance already, then Fully Automated Space Communism should DEFINITELY be in the game.)
Chastity the Celibate  [developer] 21 Aug, 2018 @ 12:54pm 
Originally posted by TurtleShroom:
> Actually supporting Antifa

I don't know how it works in Europe, but in America, Antifa is literally a domestic terror network.

Also, I applaud OP for seriously taking into consideration the improvements to Civics for ideological enemies. I hate Marxism with a burning passion, but I completely agree that the Mod should be neutral as much as possible. This is particularly pleasing to me because I just got out f a fight with th "Alpha Mod" guy who deleted my comments (and the comments of several others) for "trolling". In actuality, he didn't like my opposition to his butt hurt about the upcoming economy overhaul.

(I particularly like the clever solution for the Marxist system: either authoritarian OR egalitarian, to represent RL Marxist states, and true communism, the end stage goal of Marxism. I mean, if we can give Utopian Abundance already, then Fully Automated Space Communism should DEFINITELY be in the game.)

Don’t mess with AlphaAsh.

Also, your right about Antifa, but ultimately this mod is made for me, and I am definitely open to suggestions and such but will make my decision according to what I think is best. I am moving Anti-Fascism and the Nazi Reich to my controversial ideologies submod. Coming soon.
TurtleShroom 21 Aug, 2018 @ 1:05pm 
I'm not trying to mess with Alphaash. I was just tired of him belittling, deleting, and then insulting everyone that called out his butt hurt about the upcoming update.

Also, he revealed to me that he posted his donation links BEFORE Paradox changed its bylaws to allow for Patreon links, and when Paradox complained, he said "MAKE ME". He's probably the most arrogant Modifier in the "Stellaris" fan base, and his entire idea of deleting any comment that isn't praise seriously rubs me the wrong way.
Last edited by TurtleShroom; 21 Aug, 2018 @ 1:07pm
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