Well the clones sure should, at the very, least be family members

Originally posted by felinoel:

Well the clones sure should, at the very, least be family members

I disagree.

The clones don't personally know the original. They may consider them a friend, but anything beyond shouldn't be the default.

Originally posted by Anduin1357:

Originally posted by felinoel:

Well the clones sure should, at the very, least be family members

I disagree.

The clones don't personally know the original. They may consider them a friend, but anything beyond shouldn't be the default.

Tons of people don't know their parents but that doesn't stop them from being their parents???

Originally posted by felinoel:

Originally posted by Anduin1357:

I disagree.

The clones don't personally know the original. They may consider them a friend, but anything beyond shouldn't be the default.

Tons of people don't know their parents but that doesn't stop them from being their parents???

There's a big difference in how a child treats a biological parent versus a step parent.
It's like, you've been raised your entire life by your step parents, now they tell you they you were actually this other couple's child. Would you really, by default, associate with them?

Then think about the position that the clone is in. They were brought to the Rimworld and don't know anyone. Their memories, if brought over by use of the brain scanner, is not their own.
They're confused and unsure of what to make of their original, and of fellow clones.

The mod literally creates a mood debuff stating that the clone can make no sense of the situation.

So yes, I don't think that the relationship is that of a parent and child. They don't know the original personally, and they would need to be familiar with them on their own terms.

Of course, there's likely some association due to being a clone. They are associated in literally any way. Anything they do looks like the original and their clones. Of course they will look to have guidance from each other and form a "clonehood".

So there.

I think the other poster's point is that the original is similar to a genetic parent. I don't think a special notation that X is Y's clone on the relationship would be out of order, whether the clone knows about it or or whether it actually does anything it would be nice to see.

I agree with placing a special notation yes, and you do see my point yes.

Im like 90% sure that idea was put forward so certain pawns dont uh, date themselves. Clone a gay pawn, two weeks later they start dating. My face when :|

Originally posted by Vileblood:

Im like 90% sure that idea was put forward so certain pawns dont uh, date themselves. Clone a gay pawn, two weeks later they start dating. My face when :|

And that is a problem how? If a gay wants to date themselves, it's a perfectly valid behaviour.

Originally posted by Anduin1357:

Originally posted by felinoel:

Tons of people don't know their parents but that doesn't stop them from being their parents???

There's a big difference in how a child treats a biological parent versus a step parent.
It's like, you've been raised your entire life by your step parents, now they tell you they you were actually this other couple's child. Would you really, by default, associate with them?

Then think about the position that the clone is in. They were brought to the Rimworld and don't know anyone. Their memories, if brought over by use of the brain scanner, is not their own.
They're confused and unsure of what to make of their original, and of fellow clones.

The mod literally creates a mood debuff stating that the clone can make no sense of the situation.

So yes, I don't think that the relationship is that of a parent and child. They don't know the original personally, and they would need to be familiar with them on their own terms.

Of course, there's likely some association due to being a clone. They are associated in literally any way. Anything they do looks like the original and their clones. Of course they will look to have guidance from each other and form a "clonehood".

So there.

Really don't know what step parents have to do with anything. Clones are more closely related to who they were cloned from than biological parents and their children.

Originally posted by felinoel:

Originally posted by Anduin1357:

There's a big difference in how a child treats a biological parent versus a step parent.
It's like, you've been raised your entire life by your step parents, now they tell you they you were actually this other couple's child. Would you really, by default, associate with them?

Then think about the position that the clone is in. They were brought to the Rimworld and don't know anyone. Their memories, if brought over by use of the brain scanner, is not their own.
They're confused and unsure of what to make of their original, and of fellow clones.

The mod literally creates a mood debuff stating that the clone can make no sense of the situation.

So yes, I don't think that the relationship is that of a parent and child. They don't know the original personally, and they would need to be familiar with them on their own terms.

Of course, there's likely some association due to being a clone. They are associated in literally any way. Anything they do looks like the original and their clones. Of course they will look to have guidance from each other and form a "clonehood".

So there.

Really don't know what step parents have to do with anything. Clones are more closely related to who they were cloned from than biological parents and their children.

We're not talking about genetic relations, we're talking about social relations.
There is NO WAY that a clone is going to just associate themselves with the original right off the bat. They just came into being and they have NO IDEA why, and how; and they know nothing about their originals.

Originally posted by Anduin1357:

Originally posted by felinoel:

Really don't know what step parents have to do with anything. Clones are more closely related to who they were cloned from than biological parents and their children.

We're not talking about genetic relations, we're talking about social relations.
There is NO WAY that a clone is going to just associate themselves with the original right off the bat. They just came into being and they have NO IDEA why, and how; and they know nothing about their originals.

First of all I have been talking about genetic relations this whole time, but second of all if you want to talk social relations then the mind imprint is full of them.
Base the familial relationships off of that.

Originally posted by felinoel:

Originally posted by Anduin1357:

We're not talking about genetic relations, we're talking about social relations.
There is NO WAY that a clone is going to just associate themselves with the original right off the bat. They just came into being and they have NO IDEA why, and how; and they know nothing about their originals.

First of all I have been talking about genetic relations this whole time, but second of all if you want to talk social relations then the mind imprint is full of them.
Base the familial relationships off of that.

But the brain scanner item has already been established to only transfer skills.

And besides, my point stands even then that those relationships that they would then 'remember' is not their own, why would they trust someone that they 'know' but never lived with?

How could they trust, or mistrust; anyone, as a newly-minted clone?

This point has been made before:

Originally posted by Anduin1357:

Originally posted by felinoel:

...Then think about the position that the clone is in. They were brought to the Rimworld and don't know anyone. Their memories, if brought over by use of the brain scanner, is not their own.
They're confused and unsure of what to make of their original, and of fellow clones.

The mod literally creates a mood debuff stating that the clone can make no sense of the situation.

Okay maybe i'm not following the thread of this conversation, but the OP started this thread asking why the clone has no special relationship with the original's life, and now seems to be arguing that they should not have any particular connection to anyone in the original's life? I'm not sure what you actually want here, as you started out asking for "something" and are now asking for "nothing." If you don't want the clone to have any special feelings for the original or their relatives - well you're in luck because that's already what you're getting from the mod.

The other fellow replying to you, however, is asserting that no matter how oblivious the clone may be, he or she is still genetically related to the original and perhaps that should be noted somehow (as right now there's absolutely no note of who, exactly, a clone is derived from, only that they're a "Clone" of someone).

Originally posted by Omega13:

Okay maybe i'm not following the thread of this conversation, but the OP started this thread asking why the clone has no special relationship with the original's life, and now seems to be arguing that they should not have any particular connection to anyone in the original's life? I'm not sure what you actually want here, as you started out asking for "something" and are now asking for "nothing." If you don't want the clone to have any special feelings for the original or their relatives - well you're in luck because that's already what you're getting from the mod.

The other fellow replying to you, however, is asserting that no matter how oblivious the clone may be, he or she is still genetically related to the original and perhaps that should be noted somehow (as right now there's absolutely no note of who, exactly, a clone is derived from, only that they're a "Clone" of someone).

I did start off by asking why there was no special event about being a clone. They are very obviously not typical people and I wanted them to respond to their unique situation.

@felinoe initially gave their thought that the clones should think of their original as parents, of a sort. The problem was that parents raise their kids, and the clones are 18 years old out of the vat.

I was never against having a relationship defined to indicate who the original is in the clones' relationship list. The issue with his comments is that they are about biological association, and maybe they weren't clear enough, or maybe they just don't read the rest of the thread; but I interpret them to mean 'social association by default, to the original by the clone.'

Originally posted by Anduin1357:

Originally posted by felinoel:

First of all I have been talking about genetic relations this whole time, but second of all if you want to talk social relations then the mind imprint is full of them.
Base the familial relationships off of that.

But the brain scanner item has already been established to only transfer skills.

And besides, my point stands even then that those relationships that they would then 'remember' is not their own, why would they trust someone that they 'know' but never lived with?

How could they trust, or mistrust; anyone, as a newly-minted clone?

This point has been made before:

Originally posted by Anduin1357:

...Then think about the position that the clone is in. They were brought to the Rimworld and don't know anyone. Their memories, if brought over by use of the brain scanner, is not their own.
They're confused and unsure of what to make of their original, and of fellow clones.

The mod literally creates a mood debuff stating that the clone can make no sense of the situation.

Except all relationships like that are are memories, if I am given the memory of being close to someone all my life then I would be close to that person. Sure I know it was someone else who created those memories but I am still affected by having them.