Stellaris

Stellaris

Ethics, Civics and Traditions Classic
petruxa  [developer] 22 May, 2019 @ 2:34am
DESCRIPTIONS FOR TRADITIONS
You may notice that for the moment most of the new traditions lack flavor description text. I strongly rely on the help from the community to create them. In case you have a description idea for any particular tradition - please, share it here.
Last edited by petruxa; 22 May, 2019 @ 3:04am
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All done, I certainly hope to your standards. Though granted I suspect you may've exaggerated the workload slightly, it didn't even take three hours to complete. Still, my pleasure to help (and a certainly hope it does)!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16SjBBO5poUzgXmnbrYJQCF2tOjLA0YBxwJ96Od5hxO0/edit?usp=sharing
The Imperial House (Banned) 23 May, 2019 @ 6:11pm 
dont use apricot's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it all sucks and some are copies off of other tradition mods. wait for some new suggestions.
Callipygian Apribot 23 May, 2019 @ 10:57pm 
Wow. Nice troll.
owe3n.pearson 29 May, 2019 @ 11:13am 
I liked them
VoS | Butterlord 30 May, 2019 @ 3:07pm 
Anarcho-Capitalism- A right-wing variant of anarchism where the right to private ownership is absolute, anarcho-capitalism represents a stateless society where all government functions are handled by free market sources. Private militaries, security companies, insurers, and courts are the norm, and, in keeping with the non-aggression principle, statists are physically removed from society. The term "Anarcho-capitalism" was coined by economist Murray Rothbard in the 20th century.
45h52h 31 May, 2019 @ 5:00am 
пиночетоёбы сосут ♥♥♥
Tы не единственный русский здесь, я рекомендую тебе вести себя как кто-то с начальным образованием
45h52h 31 May, 2019 @ 6:42am 
научи =)
=(
Urek 6 Jun, 2019 @ 3:04pm 
Wrong thread

Edit: Agree with Pinochet for the Ancap description.
Last edited by Urek; 6 Jun, 2019 @ 3:19pm
naschkokthe3rd 6 Jun, 2019 @ 8:08pm 
Disagree with parts of Pinochet's description -- the right/left distinction and reference to human economist is too ethnocentric. My proposal:

"This government is little more than a nexus of contracts, end-user agreements, and platform economies which implicate every member of society in an all-encompassing array of transactions. Disputes are adjudicated by a distributed network of machine intelligences and enforced by the lowest-bidding security subcontractors. Power in such societies tends to accrue to the corporate entities most adept at sneaking exorbitant terms and conditions past careless or desperate clients."

Urek 6 Jun, 2019 @ 10:18pm 
Your description shows what you believe would happen in that society instead of just describing it. It also sounds more like a criminal syndicate description which indicates bias.

Removing the Rothbard reference and the right left distinction from Pinochet's description is fine though.
naschkokthe3rd 7 Jun, 2019 @ 7:41am 
Thank you for the feedback. Without wading too off topic here, a few points:

1. As humans tethered to our own subjectivities and ideologies, it is only right that attempting to describe political philosophies in a couple of sentences should provoke dissent and debate.

2. This is a science-fiction game, not a term paper. These descriptions should aim to be evocative and immersive, but open enough to apply to any configuration of species you would want to play as.

3. There can be no meaningful distinction between description and conjecture when the subject is a political system that no complex society has ever purposefully adopted in practice. Furthermore, looking over the vanilla entries on the wiki [stellaris.paradoxwikis.com], you can see that the devs are more than happy to take creative liberties in their descriptions. In short, the inclusion of flavorful details here would help this mod's content better blend with the vanilla holdovers.

4. Crimes are a category of acts created by the state. By definition, anarchist governments are not states. While contract disputes, property violations, etc. remain justiciable under civil law, from a legal standpoint there is no conception of "criminality" as such because there is no coercive state to define and punish it. Thus, your opinion that the system outlined above is somehow "criminal" indicates your own biases.


Obviously, there is no pleasing everyone. I'd be interested to hear what others / the mod author thinks. I do like my description better for the reasons I've already stated, but I can also see how maybe it goes too far in the other direction and could be pared back. As an aside, I find it interesting that you cite me for bias when the other guy's avatar is an alt-right icon and he smuggles one of their memes ("physically remove") into his description.


ETA: lol just realized I'm replying to a dude with:

- username = NEET
- profile desc = autistic screeching
- waifu = anime

Looking back over the other replies, I have to wonder: is this mod only meant for fashies?
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VoS | Butterlord 7 Jun, 2019 @ 12:07pm 
I believe the right-left distinction is essential to my description, as left-wing variants of anarchism are wildly different than anarcho-capitalism. Anarcho-capitalism is the odd child of anarchist ideals. Most left-anarchists would not even consider it anarchic. Omitting the right-wing part would be to omit an intrinsic part of the whole idea. If an anarchic society is not right-wing, then it is not anarcho-capitalist. Such a society would be anarcho-socialist, anarcho-mutualist, anarcho-syndicalist, or any other of the many, many left-wing variants.

I can see your point regarding Murray Rothbard's mention, as Stellaris has many varied ayy-lmao civilizations and they very well could have come to an-cap society in isolation, never having encountered humanity or read human books. Still, I think that, for the sake of clarity, explaining quickly where a philosophy or system came from by naming one of its luminaries is helpful to the reader. Since we, the players, are human, explaining things as they pertain to humans makes sense. Similarly, were someone to make a description for a communist civic, they would likely want to include a mention of Karl Marx.

Physical removal is more than a meme. While it has been picked up as such, the actual term "physical removal" was coined by Dr. Hans Herman Hoppe and featured in his book, "Democracy The God That Failed". It is relevant to the discussion of anarcho-capitalism, as, with the death of Murray Rothbard(his mentor) one would be hard-pressed to find someone more involved in the idea of an ancap society than Hoppe.

Regarding my political biases, I don't deny swinging a certain way, but my writing does not reflect that. I described an ancap-society without framing it either positively or negatively. I claim that everything is private and supporters of the state are removed. Whether or not that is a good thing is up the reader. I am not leading them either way. Your description frames an ancap society negatively, focusing on the plight of a disenfranchised and oppressed group.

The part about the machine intelligences arbitrating disputes is also not entirely true. Arbitration would be privatized. This may mean having a Judge-bot 4000, but it more than likely means human courts.

Urek 7 Jun, 2019 @ 1:32pm 
2. Your definition was quite restrictive in a roleplay sense as it basically describes an ancap world without libertarian ethics. Also the whole network of machine intelligence thing, while it sounds cool it fits more a dystopian authoritarian society.


3. If you take a look at the wiki you just linked most of the descriptions only try to show briefly what the core idea behind the government is, example:
"This government is a form of plutocratic oligarchy, where the state is made up of a myriad of free merchants, corporations and guilds that have banded together in common commercial interests."

The only time they go beyond that in that wiki is for the Hive Minds and AI but that's more of an exception tied to the lore of the game.


4. Your description alludes to the idea that corporations engaging in things like fraud are the ones powerful in this society, fraud is considered an aggression by libertarian ethics so it would be punishable. The physical removal reference is only a meme if you interpret it that way. Hoppe* talks about physical removal and it's an important point in his theory so there's nothing wrong with it being there, but he means ostracizing and not the common meme depiction of throwing people off helicopters. If he said physical removal by means of free helicopter rides, then it would be a meme.

The implication that the physical removal/pinochet meme is solely part of alt right is wrong as even in libertarian groups it is a meme, so he could very well be libertarian. That said his political views don't matter because he only described the theory, not the possible real world results like you did. It would be the same as if I gave a description of communism as "Since economic calculation in a societal scale is impossible these societies usually end in poverty and hunger". while true it would piss off people that want to play their communist fantasy in a video game so it shouldn't be there.
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