I am agreeing to everything he has said.

Originally posted by wet chicken legs:

I am agreeing to everything he has said.

Same... the new version is unfun and makes me want to play another gamemode.

Dont complain here it wont do anything, The map just uses the gamemode provided by the gamemode creator. go on the pavlov discord and complain there on the TTT channel https://discord.gg/ZQqsYtM

Originally posted by Dentora:

Dont complain here it wont do anything, The map just uses the gamemode provided by the gamemode creator. go on the pavlov discord and complain there on the TTT channel https://discord.gg/ZQqsYtM

Not a complaint just feedback on the newest update.

Originally posted by wet chicken legs:

Originally posted by Dentora:

Dont complain here it wont do anything, The map just uses the gamemode provided by the gamemode creator. go on the pavlov discord and complain there on the TTT channel https://discord.gg/ZQqsYtM

Not a complaint just feedback on the newest update.

Still your feedback should still go on the discord as that's where the gamemode maintainer is, This is just a map using the updated gamemode provided. They have no control over how the gamemode changes.

Originally posted by Dentora:

Originally posted by wet chicken legs:

Not a complaint just feedback on the newest update.

Still your feedback should still go on the discord as that's where the gamemode maintainer is, This is just a map using the updated gamemode provided. They have no control over how the gamemode changes.

Cant they just not change the file that contains the gamemode? and leave it as is

Originally posted by Dentora:

Originally posted by wet chicken legs:

Not a complaint just feedback on the newest update.

Still your feedback should still go on the discord as that's where the gamemode maintainer is, This is just a map using the updated gamemode provided. They have no control over how the gamemode changes.

It's not just the gamemode menu, it's also the lighting, the dark and pixellated shadows, the lack of the character models (which fit better with the map) and the weapon placement which is now just clumped in certain places instead of being scattered across the map in clever places.

Originally posted by Mfarooq360:

Originally posted by Dentora:

Still your feedback should still go on the discord as that's where the gamemode maintainer is, This is just a map using the updated gamemode provided. They have no control over how the gamemode changes.

It's not just the gamemode menu, it's also the lighting, the dark and pixellated shadows, the lack of the character models (which fit better with the map) and the weapon placement which is now just clumped in certain places instead of being scattered across the map in clever places.

iirc the character models usually arent added till after the update is considered stable. its happened that way in the past

Both the modmaker and the mapmaker are here, in this forum on the map workshop page. You will notice that MOttflyer, the mod maker is a contributor on this map and is the one making the updates. Thanks for the specific notes about gun placement/lighting.

I think that the scanner is a non starter as it was just terrible.

Originally posted by Maverick_Actual:

Both the modmaker and the mapmaker are here, in this forum on the map workshop page. You will notice that MOttflyer, the mod maker is a contributor on this map and is the one making the updates. Thanks for the specific notes about gun placement/lighting.

I think that the scanner is a non starter as it was just terrible.

The problem is, wherever I play the map, no one really uses the dna scanner because they don't know how to use it or what it's for and people are still trying to scan each other with the dna scanner. They were saying things like the detective is almost useless without being able to scan people. Though about the lighting, we definitely noticed the pixellation in shadows outside as well as the harshness of the shadows, though in places like the donut shop, it was so dark in there that people say they forgot to pay the electricity bill. It's just that many people liked the way the older map looked along with the gameplay of the older map, i'd use to see pages full of this map and now it's just a few instances of this map being played. About the guns and gun placements, people were really confused where to find guns where as before, you could find guns in clever places across the map which people got used to a lot because now whenever someone joins the new update for the first time, they're confused, asking people where to get guns. People were also disappointed to see that a few of the guns they used to find and enjoyed using were gone and replaced with ones not used often. The traitors especially now have a huge advantage against everyone and most likely, the round will end quickly if the traitors decide to just kill everyone. The old map/update was tried and true which we all got used to through the several enjoyable hours we spent playing on the old map. I'm not sure if you'll decide to revert this map, improve this map, or create a new map for people to be able to play the older version of the map because it's been difficult for many people to play this map now (and as you can see from the comments, people are upset as well).

Didnt play the map for a while, played it today and instantly noticed that it decreased in quality. the most hurtful thing is the removal of the scanner and 2 bugs i encountered where you can get stuck in the floor either inside the top part of the police station or the floor of the bank when the first round of the game starts, also there seems to be some weird red line above my head when in a room with mirrors and a weird indicator on the wall where i look, similiar to a crosshair. also noticed a little gap behind the white house where you can look under the map into the void.

The tester(scanner) is incredibly overpowered and I'm glad it was removed. DNA scanner is a much better approach to finding traitors, and you can't use the argument "no one knows how to use it" which is retarded as the DNA scanner has been a thing since the gamemode existed. Just learn how to use it or don't play the game.

Originally posted by Davidov007:

The tester(scanner) is incredibly overpowered and I'm glad it was removed. DNA scanner is a much better approach to finding traitors, and you can't use the argument "no one knows how to use it" which is retarded as the DNA scanner has been a thing since the gamemode existed. Just learn how to use it or don't play the game.

I'm saying from my experience, whenever i'm in a game, the detective will buy the dna scanner and try to scan people as if it was a regular scanner, while traitors who don't know about it either will shoot back anyways thinking it's still a scanner. Also, I've never seen someone actually use the dna scanner effectively. If there's a body, the detective will literally have no idea that they can use the dna scanner and even then you can't tell if the person who killed the guy is an innocent or traitor, because they could've shot in self-defense. The dna scanner wouldn't have much use anyways because people group up in certain places and if they hear a shot and see a dead body, they'll know exactly who killed them because they wouldn't be part of the group of people. Also, telling people to learn to use it or not to play at all is stupid when people were already used to the previous method and people know how to avoid getting scanned. There are usually 10 people in a match and getting scanned out of 2 is unlikely unless you happen to look suspicious. Speaking of, removing the scanner and reducing HP makes the traitors incredibly overpowered because now all they have to do is gun down everyone with the other traitors which is not how TTT is supposed to be played. 2 scans was pretty decent, if it was 3, then i'd agree with you, though 2 scans compared to 10 people will require skills from the detective to find who is suspicious and who isn't. I've spend several tens of hours playing this map before the update and not once did I or anyone else have anything to complain about.

Originally posted by Mfarooq360:

Originally posted by Davidov007:

The tester(scanner) is incredibly overpowered and I'm glad it was removed. DNA scanner is a much better approach to finding traitors, and you can't use the argument "no one knows how to use it" which is retarded as the DNA scanner has been a thing since the gamemode existed. Just learn how to use it or don't play the game.

I'm saying from my experience, whenever i'm in a game, the detective will buy the dna scanner and try to scan people as if it was a regular scanner, while traitors who don't know about it either will shoot back anyways thinking it's still a scanner. Also, I've never seen someone actually use the dna scanner effectively. If there's a body, the detective will literally have no idea that they can use the dna scanner and even then you can't tell if the person who killed the guy is an innocent or traitor, because they could've shot in self-defense. The dna scanner wouldn't have much use anyways because people group up in certain places and if they hear a shot and see a dead body, they'll know exactly who killed them because they wouldn't be part of the group of people. Also, telling people to learn to use it or not to play at all is stupid when people were already used to the previous method and people know how to avoid getting scanned. There are usually 10 people in a match and getting scanned out of 2 is unlikely unless you happen to look suspicious. Speaking of, removing the scanner and reducing HP makes the traitors incredibly overpowered because now all they have to do is gun down everyone with the other traitors which is not how TTT is supposed to be played. 2 scans was pretty decent, if it was 3, then i'd agree with you, though 2 scans compared to 10 people will require skills from the detective to find who is suspicious and who isn't. I've spend several tens of hours playing this map before the update and not once did I or anyone else have anything to complain about.

Skills? Are you joking? I am also speaking from experience and the scanner is the most annoying thing ever. All you have to do is run up to someone while they're talking or something and instantly scan them. A competent detective will often always beat the traitors because of the ability to scan people, holding a double barrel with their other hand. I still don't get why you're saying that the DNA scanner is not useful, it is incredibly good and easy to use. Just because people don't want to spend 5 minutes looking up how to use an item doesn't mean it's a bad item. Get used to it. Simple as that. Seems like a lot of people here don't even play the TTT gamemode in garry's mod, which explains a lot.

Originally posted by Davidov007:

Originally posted by Mfarooq360:

I'm saying from my experience, whenever i'm in a game, the detective will buy the dna scanner and try to scan people as if it was a regular scanner, while traitors who don't know about it either will shoot back anyways thinking it's still a scanner. Also, I've never seen someone actually use the dna scanner effectively. If there's a body, the detective will literally have no idea that they can use the dna scanner and even then you can't tell if the person who killed the guy is an innocent or traitor, because they could've shot in self-defense. The dna scanner wouldn't have much use anyways because people group up in certain places and if they hear a shot and see a dead body, they'll know exactly who killed them because they wouldn't be part of the group of people. Also, telling people to learn to use it or not to play at all is stupid when people were already used to the previous method and people know how to avoid getting scanned. There are usually 10 people in a match and getting scanned out of 2 is unlikely unless you happen to look suspicious. Speaking of, removing the scanner and reducing HP makes the traitors incredibly overpowered because now all they have to do is gun down everyone with the other traitors which is not how TTT is supposed to be played. 2 scans was pretty decent, if it was 3, then i'd agree with you, though 2 scans compared to 10 people will require skills from the detective to find who is suspicious and who isn't. I've spend several tens of hours playing this map before the update and not once did I or anyone else have anything to complain about.

Skills? Are you joking? I am also speaking from experience and the scanner is the most annoying thing ever. All you have to do is run up to someone while they're talking or something and instantly scan them. A competent detective will often always beat the traitors because of the ability to scan people, holding a double barrel with their other hand. I still don't get why you're saying that the DNA scanner is not useful, it is incredibly good and easy to use. Just because people don't want to spend 5 minutes looking up how to use an item doesn't mean it's a bad item. Get used to it. Simple as that. Seems like a lot of people here don't even play the TTT gamemode in garry's mod, which explains a lot.

I've never seen anyone use the DNA scanner for its purpose and people in game have been saying that detective is now pretty much useless. If a detective comes up to you with a double barrel, you can always stab them and pull out your own gun to take care of the rest if possible. People have been playing the older version of this map for a while and no one complained through all the games I played. If a poll were to go up, it would show what people really want to be included in the map. For the "skills" thing, theoretically you could just walk up to someone and scan them, though for it to work effectively, you don't just scan the person right next to you as they would most likely be innocent. If you look for people who are separate from the rest, then you should scan them, especially those who are quiet or back away.