Kerbal Space Program

Kerbal Space Program

Definetly not a Fridge
Scrampy 20 Aug, 2019 @ 10:02am
Why its not a fridge
Its not
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ColonelTrotters 20 Aug, 2019 @ 2:04pm 
ok
soet fisk 20 Aug, 2019 @ 6:47pm 
May you write a five paragraph essay explaining why its not a fridge in MLA format? Please contact me via steam to notify me that you have completed this task. You have until September 20th, 2019.
Scrampy 20 Aug, 2019 @ 9:24pm 
No u
Longy16 21 Aug, 2019 @ 11:54am 
But it is a fridge because it is not sealed and is in space but space's temperature is near zero K so then the stuff inside it is super cold from the vacuum of space causing it to be a fridge.
Scrampy 21 Aug, 2019 @ 12:06pm 
No its a radiator
Piemur1 21 Aug, 2019 @ 4:16pm 
Originally posted by mistertreky2007:
But it is a fridge because it is not sealed and is in space but space's temperature is near zero K so then the stuff inside it is super cold from the vacuum of space causing it to be a fridge.

Actually not true. Space's temperature is vacuum. It is the temperature of whatever implement that is measuring it (ie. a thermometer). So it varies widely depending on which side of the craft the thermometer is facing the sun. The direct rays from the sun are incredibly strong without an atmosphere reflecting or absoring that energy thereby filtering out most of the infrared heat. On the opposing side yes the temperature would read what is effectively the ambient heat of the craft it's attached to, or the residual heat of the thermometer itself. Considering without an atmosphere, a spacecraft will generate a lot of heat buildup in itself and the only way to release that heat is by infrared radiation. No convection of the heat to an outside source since there is no atmosphere and no conduction since there's nothing to conduct the energy to except itself.

Another neat fact, the reason things we send to space (shuttles, space stations, eva suits, etc) tend to be white isn't simply because it's cheaper and easier to detect from longer distances, but because they reflect as much of the sun's infrared rays as possible and try to prevent buildup of heat when possible.

So when you say something gets freeze-dried in the vacuum of space, is only because it was in shadow and it radiated all its heat away. The fluid would either freeze solid after losing that heat and later sublimate into gas, or boil from lack of vapor pressure. But if it were in the sunny-side, it would boil then be fried via infrared radiation and microwaves...along with the whole no vapor pressure holding any fluids in that state.
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fleshclump 21 Aug, 2019 @ 4:33pm 
compelling argument
soet fisk 21 Aug, 2019 @ 4:52pm 
Originally posted by Piemur1:
Originally posted by mistertreky2007:
But it is a fridge because it is not sealed and is in space but space's temperature is near zero K so then the stuff inside it is super cold from the vacuum of space causing it to be a fridge.

Actually not true. Space's temperature is vacuum. It is the temperature of whatever implement that is measuring it (ie. a thermometer). So it varies widely depending on which side of the craft the thermometer is facing the sun. The direct rays from the sun are incredibly strong without an atmosphere reflecting or absoring that energy thereby filtering out most of the infrared heat. On the opposing side yes the temperature would read what is effectively the ambient heat of the craft it's attached to, or the residual heat of the thermometer itself. Considering without an atmosphere, a spacecraft will generate a lot of heat buildup in itself and the only way to release that heat is by infrared radiation. No convection of the heat to an outside source since there is no atmosphere and no conduction since there's nothing to conduct the energy to except itself.

Another neat fact, the reason things we send to space (shuttles, space stations, eva suits, etc) tend to be white isn't simply because it's cheaper and easier to detect from longer distances, but because they reflect as much of the sun's infrared rays as possible and try to prevent buildup of heat when possible.

So when you say something gets freeze-dried in the vacuum of space, is only because it was in shadow and it radiated all its heat away. The fluid would either freeze solid after losing that heat and later sublimate into gas, or boil from lack of vapor pressure. But if it were in the sunny-side, it would boil then be fried via infrared radiation and microwaves...along with the whole no vapor pressure holding any fluids in that state.
thats not five paragraphs
Scrampy 21 Aug, 2019 @ 5:49pm 
Originally posted by Mr Megalodon:
Originally posted by Piemur1:

Actually not true. Space's temperature is vacuum. It is the temperature of whatever implement that is measuring it (ie. a thermometer). So it varies widely depending on which side of the craft the thermometer is facing the sun. The direct rays from the sun are incredibly strong without an atmosphere reflecting or absoring that energy thereby filtering out most of the infrared heat. On the opposing side yes the temperature would read what is effectively the ambient heat of the craft it's attached to, or the residual heat of the thermometer itself. Considering without an atmosphere, a spacecraft will generate a lot of heat buildup in itself and the only way to release that heat is by infrared radiation. No convection of the heat to an outside source since there is no atmosphere and no conduction since there's nothing to conduct the energy to except itself.

Another neat fact, the reason things we send to space (shuttles, space stations, eva suits, etc) tend to be white isn't simply because it's cheaper and easier to detect from longer distances, but because they reflect as much of the sun's infrared rays as possible and try to prevent buildup of heat when possible.

So when you say something gets freeze-dried in the vacuum of space, is only because it was in shadow and it radiated all its heat away. The fluid would either freeze solid after losing that heat and later sublimate into gas, or boil from lack of vapor pressure. But if it were in the sunny-side, it would boil then be fried via infrared radiation and microwaves...along with the whole no vapor pressure holding any fluids in that state.
thats not five paragraphs
Thats it execute order 66
Longy16 21 Aug, 2019 @ 6:03pm 
this is (originally posted by) recurrsion
Longy16 21 Aug, 2019 @ 6:04pm 
This is a bunch of astro-physics discussions.
Scrampy 21 Aug, 2019 @ 6:26pm 
Originally posted by mistertreky2007:
this is (originally posted by) recurrsion
A r e y o u s u r e a b o u t t h a t
SilveP  [developer] 21 Aug, 2019 @ 7:15pm 
Not going to lie, this discussion has become quite weird.
soet fisk 22 Aug, 2019 @ 12:30am 
Originally posted by McSqueelibob:
You haven't defined fridge thus any arguments are null until we get a usable definition. Is a fridge a cool food container? Is a fridge a air cooling unit that is commonly used for food? Does a fridge need food in it for it to be considered a fridge? Is it just a cold box then? Does a fridge need to be relatively cold or legitimately close to absolute zero? See, we can't just call something a fridge without knowing what a fridge is. That is like calling a pizza place for pizza but you still haven't decided on the toppings. It's irrational and inappropriate.
I've had enough. I'm writing the essay.
Scrampy 22 Aug, 2019 @ 7:04am 
Originally posted by McSqueelibob:
You haven't defined fridge thus any arguments are null until we get a usable definition. Is a fridge a cool food container? Is a fridge a air cooling unit that is commonly used for food? Does a fridge need food in it for it to be considered a fridge? Is it just a cold box then? Does a fridge need to be relatively cold or legitimately close to absolute zero? See, we can't just call something a fridge without knowing what a fridge is. That is like calling a pizza place for pizza but you still haven't decided on the toppings. It's irrational and inappropriate.
But its not cold its hot
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