Men of War: Assault Squad 2

Men of War: Assault Squad 2

Unforgotten: A Valour Submod
Noud 9 May, 2020 @ 5:35am
Inaccuracies
I have made a post in the Bugreport session before but as it's technically not a bug I'll just make a new thread. Now my goal here is to revert the changes to the 1940 dutch uniform that were implemented in an update at the end of march. The changes to the uniforms were not needed as they were historically accurate the way they were. The new colour of the uniform is not however.
Colour it should have: https://militariaplaza.nl/images/stories/virtuemart/product/14580_3.jpg
Note that the colour is slightly faded and thus darker on the link above ^^
reenactment with what seem to be replica uniforms:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/adnbPaDPkNV9gWashsftFn310uJCUSgCdiv8uYMOJD62aVMju46E4ZpoJS6I-tegA_4-1LT9L5mA9LBi0CX5SN1r6WzJQz6V0KsdJqim6qObje6O4tKSx3GTYw

Now to explain my point further here are the uniforms in game:
https://imgur.com/KWkE3dl
https://imgur.com/kgNBcec

As you can see the ingame uniforms are way too dark. My advice is to revert the changes to these uniforms and stick with the older ones + the recruit uniform you added. I'd leave the marines as they are now.
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cheezymuffin 10 May, 2020 @ 4:50pm 
I object, the newer uniforms include the straps and correct helmet color.
The only part is is that the color of the uniforms themselves are too dark.
If they are changed to the green-grey the dutch army used it would be perfect. but the old uniforms from valour where absolutely not correct.
a good view of the uniforms can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-esy4KKhpdo
the new uniforms are a big improvement over the old ones, eventhough now every unit feels like a marine with their dark clothes, they are at least not sky blue anymore like they used to be in the mod, and have more details now.
Noud 11 May, 2020 @ 3:54am 
Correct, the shape of the uniforms is better. But the change of colour makes it almost unrecognisable. A change of colour is definitely required. For the Marrechausse however a blue-tone is in order. The infantry colour does have me confused as I have come across several greenish uniforms but also the ones that look more blue as on the tumbnail of the video you sent.
cheezymuffin 12 May, 2020 @ 7:00am 
I would rely on the part of the video where he puts on the uniform.
The greenish color is also backed up by the fact that dutch soldiers, when they arived in england, where confused with german POWs, as the grey-green they ♥♥♥♥♥ as reminisent of the german grey green uniforms
but I think the colors of the marrechausse and marines (black devils) are good right now.
The thumbnail is a bit of a mess as it is from a movie, which probably had to get their hands on a whole lot of uniforms, which will not have the same amount of accuracy, as dutch ww2 reanactment stuff isn't in such a big supply as german or american stuff.
Lots of drawings and such have given the impression of a blue uniform, which could have caused the bad reanactment uniforms sometimes.
Noud 12 May, 2020 @ 8:04am 
I do actually know the reenactment group and they do strive for a 100% accurate depiction. The problem is that, even though i'm not 100% sure, there are both green-gray and blue-gray uniforms.
cheezymuffin 13 May, 2020 @ 2:02am 
yeah this is pretty though, weird lighting and different uniforms make the color very hard to pinpoint, there may also have been a difference within the colors for NCO's, officers and other ranks and branches...
I might send a mail to the national dutch military museum, and ask if they have something like a color code for the uniform.
Noud 13 May, 2020 @ 4:25am 
great idea!
cheezymuffin 16 May, 2020 @ 5:14am 
I don't know when they will reply back, might take a vew days, maybe even longer now the museum is closed due to the pandemic.

When I get word back I'll translate it from dutch into english and send you a screenshot of the reply and sources.
cheezymuffin 19 May, 2020 @ 1:06pm 
Hartelijk dank voor jouw vraag.

De kleur van de uniformen van het Nederlandse leger vanaf 1912 tot aan 15 mei 1940 was de veldgrijze kleur. De uniformstoffen uit die tijd zijn beschreven in het boek van Martin Talens, 'Van Grijsgroen naar camouflage' en in
een artikel van Mark van Hattem en Mariska Pool in de Armamentaria (legermuseumpublicatie)nr. 42, 2007/2008, 'De eentonigheid der grijze kleeding, ontwerp en materiaal van de veldgrijze jas 1912-1940'.

Het boek en het artikel kun je bij ons in de studiezaal lezen. In verband met de crisis kan dit mogelijk pas weer vanaf 1 juni. Een afspraak kun je maken via kic@nmm.nl

In de hoop je hiermee voldoende te hebben beantwoord.

Met vr. groet,

Tristan Broos
Beheerder Studiezaal


This is the response I got.
It says the color was "Field gray"
if field gray sounds familiar, that is because the german army also used a field gray uniform (hence the confusion under the british population I mentioned before)
Field gray is a gray-green color.
There is more information in 2 books.
1. 'Van Grijsgroen naar camouflage' (from Gray-green to camouflage)
2. Armamentaria nr. 42, 2007/2008, 'De eentonigheid der grijze kleeding, ontwerp en materiaal van de veldgrijze jas 1912-1940'. (The monotonousness of Gray clothing, design and material)

so it seems that the dutch did in fact use a gray-green color, not a gray-blue one.
Noud 20 May, 2020 @ 2:08am 
Now we just have to know what colour is exactly grijsgroen
cheezymuffin 20 May, 2020 @ 8:42am 
just found dutch militairy pants for sale, and because the color of the pants is always described and depicted the same as for the top part of the uniform (except for the marines and MP) this should be the color of the uniform. https://militariaplaza.nl/holland-dutch-34/dutch-military-combat-pants-1-detail

A light grey green color. it matches the descriptions, it could be mistaken for blue in a drawing and it looks reminisent of the german field gray.
I think that this is it.

cheezymuffin 20 May, 2020 @ 8:43am 
there isn't a color code but the pictures are under a clean light source, and so the color could be duplicated quite easily I think to be aplied in game
Noud 20 May, 2020 @ 9:19am 
I googled the veldgrijs and found a book with this cover: {LINK REMOVED}
The odd thing is that the NMM also has this book in their collection, which leads me to believe that the trousers you sent are the wrong colour, it might have faded, be KNIL or whatever.
This seems to be the colour corresponding with the book and it's one of the top searches when googling "nederlands veldgrijs" https://www.dordrechtindeoorlog.nl/.cm4all/uproc.php/0/Pontonniersuniform/.4.jpg/picture-1200?_=1700b5de5e0
cheezymuffin 20 May, 2020 @ 10:40am 
well yeah, but the uniform you send me is a potoniers uniform (aparrantly guys that lay bridges, the engineers) and I don't know wheter or not that photo is colored or has a filter aplied to it, but either way that is a picture of the actual book cover, which in that particulair photograph is reflecting light, making the color more bland/white/vague. I see another picture of the book which clearly shows how the color will differ depending on the light shining on the book cover.
For some reason the site itself doesn't exsist anymore, but it should still be findable on google.
(was the second picture when looking up "veldgrijs foto" in Google)
in the area of that photograph, the color of the clothing is much more green, which looks way more natural, especially the door in the background, which are often painted a dark green color in real live.
Now I am not gonna lie, it doesn't help that when I search ""Nederlands velgrijs" I find the same uniform as you, in seemingly 3 different colors.
the gray/blue/green color you send me.
A weird gray with a hint of blue in it.
And the color I say is field-gray.
The color might indicate basically what job they did and maybe the shape and markings on the uniform indicated their rank.
But I am going to stick with my color, as I don't trust the book foto due to lighting isues, and don't know if the dutch potoon corps wore the same color uniform as the standart frontline infantery.
also, the reason you might find that particulair uniform a lot is because of the heroic actions of the pontoniers during the battle of dordrecht.
Noud 20 May, 2020 @ 2:33pm 
About the field gray, The museum mail you sent specifically states "veldgrijs",which IS fieldgray. So if you say that the blue-ish colour is field gray, and the NMM says that they wore fieldgray, than it must be the blue-ish colour that is correct.
Last edited by Noud; 20 May, 2020 @ 2:43pm
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