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There are some misunderstandings in the newly added Chinese place names
Among the newly added Chinese place names, there are many names that do not conform to the times and expressions that do not conform to semantics.
Dalian,this name first appeared in 1880.In the Ming Dynasty, it was called Jinzhou(meaning Golden State), and in the Qing Dynasty, it was called Ninghai(meaning Sea Tranquility).
Liaodong, in the Ming Dynasty, the name included the entire Liaoning in the game. For the location you marked, it was called Fuzhou or Fuzhouwei(meaning return state) in the Ming and Qing dynasties.Fuzhou Jinzhou Haicheng and Gaizhou were all Wei-Suo (guards) established in Liaodong in the Ming Dynasty.
Shanhai. Shanhai should be between Ningyuan and Yongping. It was a castle between the mountains and the sea: it was the mountains to the northwest and the sea to the southeast. Yongping is in its southwest and Ningyuan is in its northwest. I think where you drew shanhai, you can set up an impassable zone called heishan (black mountain).
Fengtai. This name appeared in 1952, and Fengtai is located in the southwest of Beijing. In the Qing Dynasty, the administrative division of this place was called Zunhua (literally translated as follow and educate, meaning " follow the way of Confucius and Mencius, educate the people").
Anting. I'm not sure where you got this name from, but I can't find a name with a similar pronunciation either on the current map or on the maps of the Ming and Qing dynasties. I suggest that it can be changed to Yizhou (meaning change state, a Qing Dynasty place name in that place) or Baoan (meaning security, a Ming Dynasty place name with some deviation).
Chifu, which should actually be Zhifu, was the name of a small town in the Han Dynasty (around 0 AD). In the Ming and Qing dynasties, this province was called Dengzhou, and the capital was called Penglai.
Qingdao, the name appeared after 1897, in the game, it is more appropriate to be called Jiaozhou or Jiaoao.
Qufu. Although Qufu is a very famous place name, in the game, and in actual history, it is exactly where Yanzhou is located. If you like the name Qufu, you can change the original Yanzhou to Caozhou (a name that appeared in Victoria 2, a place name in the Qing Dynasty), and put the Temple of Confucius in Qufu.
Zhengjin, is this the changed name of Zhenjiang? The capital is still in Zhenjiang. I propose to name this place Chuzhou, which has been called that since 589.
Xinyu, before 1960, Xinyu was just a small town. In the Ming and Qing dynasties, it was called Linjiang. You can also use the names Yuanzhou and Yichun, because the scope is too large and spans multiple administrative regions.
Xianning. Although the name and location are correct, Xianning has always belonged to Wuchang until 1949. You can divide Yichang into Yichang and Enshi, or divide Xiangyang into Yunyang and Xiangyang, which will be more in line with actual history.
Enshi. This place is located in the southwest of Yichang. In the place you split, it should be called Kuizhou (Qutang is also ok).
Zheng'an, this is actually a part of Bozhou. In the place you marked, it should be Youyang, which was part of Chongqing in the Ming Dynasty and was upgraded in the Qing Dynasty.
Suining. In fact, Suining and your target location are very close, but from the relative position, that place should be Nanchong. You can pay attention to the relative position to the river.
Panzhihua, the name first appeared in 1965, refers to a small village where kapok (known locally as Panzhihua) is grown. And more than half of the Panzhihua area is located north of the Jinsha River. The place you marked should be called Yao'an (for Ming) or Yongbei (for Qing).
Honghe, the name appeared in 1957. In the Ming and Qing dynasties, it was called Lin'an.
Gannan, is a name that appeared in 1952. At the time of the game, you can call it Gongchang.
Shizuishan, the name appeared after 1960. I don't recommend keeping this place as it has always been part of Ningxia. If you just want to refine this side, it would be a better choice to divide Zhangye into Zhangye and Jiuquan.
South Yumen. In fact, it was this name that made me decide to leave a message for you instead of changing the name of the province and playing by myself. Because Nanyumen means the southern part of Yumen, but It is really the northern part of Yumen. You can call it Beiyumen, or Shazhou.
yizhou, between the word Hami and Balikun, whether in the Ming, Qing or now, there is no political district sandwiched between them.
Ruoqiang. Charkliq, qakilik and Ruoqiang refer to the exact same place, just pronounced in different languages. In addition, shanshan also refers to this place, in Han Dynasty.

I should have pointed out all the misunderstandings within the Ming Dynasty in 1444. I felt tired, so I stopped checking the surrounding countries.
I think it's better to know a little bit of Chinese when making mods in China, so that you can directly use the administrative divisions of China's historical maps (I also did not find the English version of the Chinese historical atlas published in China, and the Chinese history published by other countries. The map is basically without details).Not only are the names of the places that appear to be incompatible with the actual locations, but the borders are drawn strangely. In fact, there are a lot of refinement mods for China and its surrounding areas. Most of the Chinese version of the province refinement is more reasonable, you can use their map division, only need to translate the name of the province into English.I think, translation software should be enough.
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pindol 90  [developer] 14 Jun, 2022 @ 8:07am 
Originally posted by Flower Blue:
Among the newly added Chinese place names, there are many names that do not conform to the times and expressions that do not conform to semantics.
Dalian,this name first appeared in 1880.In the Ming Dynasty, it was called Jinzhou(meaning Golden State), and in the Qing Dynasty, it was called Ninghai(meaning Sea Tranquility).
Liaodong, in the Ming Dynasty, the name included the entire Liaoning in the game. For the location you marked, it was called Fuzhou or Fuzhouwei(meaning return state) in the Ming and Qing dynasties.Fuzhou Jinzhou Haicheng and Gaizhou were all Wei-Suo (guards) established in Liaodong in the Ming Dynasty.
Shanhai. Shanhai should be between Ningyuan and Yongping. It was a castle between the mountains and the sea: it was the mountains to the northwest and the sea to the southeast. Yongping is in its southwest and Ningyuan is in its northwest. I think where you drew shanhai, you can set up an impassable zone called heishan (black mountain).
Fengtai. This name appeared in 1952, and Fengtai is located in the southwest of Beijing. In the Qing Dynasty, the administrative division of this place was called Zunhua (literally translated as follow and educate, meaning " follow the way of Confucius and Mencius, educate the people").
Anting. I'm not sure where you got this name from, but I can't find a name with a similar pronunciation either on the current map or on the maps of the Ming and Qing dynasties. I suggest that it can be changed to Yizhou (meaning change state, a Qing Dynasty place name in that place) or Baoan (meaning security, a Ming Dynasty place name with some deviation).
Chifu, which should actually be Zhifu, was the name of a small town in the Han Dynasty (around 0 AD). In the Ming and Qing dynasties, this province was called Dengzhou, and the capital was called Penglai.
Qingdao, the name appeared after 1897, in the game, it is more appropriate to be called Jiaozhou or Jiaoao.
Qufu. Although Qufu is a very famous place name, in the game, and in actual history, it is exactly where Yanzhou is located. If you like the name Qufu, you can change the original Yanzhou to Caozhou (a name that appeared in Victoria 2, a place name in the Qing Dynasty), and put the Temple of Confucius in Qufu.
Zhengjin, is this the changed name of Zhenjiang? The capital is still in Zhenjiang. I propose to name this place Chuzhou, which has been called that since 589.
Xinyu, before 1960, Xinyu was just a small town. In the Ming and Qing dynasties, it was called Linjiang. You can also use the names Yuanzhou and Yichun, because the scope is too large and spans multiple administrative regions.
Xianning. Although the name and location are correct, Xianning has always belonged to Wuchang until 1949. You can divide Yichang into Yichang and Enshi, or divide Xiangyang into Yunyang and Xiangyang, which will be more in line with actual history.
Enshi. This place is located in the southwest of Yichang. In the place you split, it should be called Kuizhou (Qutang is also ok).
Zheng'an, this is actually a part of Bozhou. In the place you marked, it should be Youyang, which was part of Chongqing in the Ming Dynasty and was upgraded in the Qing Dynasty.
Suining. In fact, Suining and your target location are very close, but from the relative position, that place should be Nanchong. You can pay attention to the relative position to the river.
Panzhihua, the name first appeared in 1965, refers to a small village where kapok (known locally as Panzhihua) is grown. And more than half of the Panzhihua area is located north of the Jinsha River. The place you marked should be called Yao'an (for Ming) or Yongbei (for Qing).
Honghe, the name appeared in 1957. In the Ming and Qing dynasties, it was called Lin'an.
Gannan, is a name that appeared in 1952. At the time of the game, you can call it Gongchang.
Shizuishan, the name appeared after 1960. I don't recommend keeping this place as it has always been part of Ningxia. If you just want to refine this side, it would be a better choice to divide Zhangye into Zhangye and Jiuquan.
South Yumen. In fact, it was this name that made me decide to leave a message for you instead of changing the name of the province and playing by myself. Because Nanyumen means the southern part of Yumen, but It is really the northern part of Yumen. You can call it Beiyumen, or Shazhou.
yizhou, between the word Hami and Balikun, whether in the Ming, Qing or now, there is no political district sandwiched between them.
Ruoqiang. Charkliq, qakilik and Ruoqiang refer to the exact same place, just pronounced in different languages. In addition, shanshan also refers to this place, in Han Dynasty.

I should have pointed out all the misunderstandings within the Ming Dynasty in 1444. I felt tired, so I stopped checking the surrounding countries.
I think it's better to know a little bit of Chinese when making mods in China, so that you can directly use the administrative divisions of China's historical maps (I also did not find the English version of the Chinese historical atlas published in China, and the Chinese history published by other countries. The map is basically without details).Not only are the names of the places that appear to be incompatible with the actual locations, but the borders are drawn strangely. In fact, there are a lot of refinement mods for China and its surrounding areas. Most of the Chinese version of the province refinement is more reasonable, you can use their map division, only need to translate the name of the province into English.I think, translation software should be enough.
Thank you for your advice, i am really lacking sources for province names so i mainly use modern ones
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