Europa Universalis IV

Europa Universalis IV

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dasbachd 20 Jan, 2023 @ 1:31am
Reforming Religion
I started a game as Tikal (Maya) and passed all the necessary reforms, but of course I can't reform my religion, as long as I haven't got a western nation neighbouring me. Normally that's no big issue, waiting for some decades, but in this mod it means, I have to wait for about 1200 years?! Of course, there's a reason why, cause a reformed Mayan Nation would get incredibly strong. But I miss some actions, like developing your government reforms. Now is there any way to reform your religion earlier witouht cheating?
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qweytr  [developer] 20 Jan, 2023 @ 7:09am 
I'm not sure, but I think there is a way. I don't remember what it was though.
dasbachd 20 Jan, 2023 @ 12:35pm 
Now, you made me curious?!
Dick Chicken 21 Jan, 2023 @ 7:11am 
There definitely is because in my game AI Maya reformed their religion by 600, which somehow made them both lose their Native government (which lets them literally build stuff like Storehouses ahead of intended) and also somehow qualify for spawning Organized Religion
dasbachd 21 Jan, 2023 @ 8:54am 
Right now I can only "reform" to a tribal government, which would made me lose my whole kingdom, except the capital region.
The Maya might have received Organized Religion, because of a Province with a temple; this gives an incredible Boost!
Dick Chicken 21 Jan, 2023 @ 2:29pm 
That would make sense if it was solely the Religion Institution, but they've built Storehouses and actual Castles in their provinces, which makes me think they've fully gone to a reformed Feudal nation
dasbachd 21 Jan, 2023 @ 3:26pm 
Hmmm, but which neighbour could have made this reform possible about 600?
Dick Chicken 22 Jan, 2023 @ 9:46am 
No clue, but they're continuing to construct storehouses and castles and now ports, not to mention they have spawn institutions
dasbachd 22 Jan, 2023 @ 1:02pm 
And you're sure, this happened around 600? Cause I'm 585 right now!^^
dasbachd 22 Jan, 2023 @ 1:03pm 
By the way: Are you plaing IronMan? Otherwise you could do me a huge favor and switch to the Maya via console command and tell me to which government they switched exactly...
Dick Chicken 24 Jan, 2023 @ 7:05am 
Yeah it happened around 600, I can see them since I'm playing Iroquois. I tag switched to them and it shows that they have not reformed their religion and therefore no government reforms, but they have heirs and can construct things like storehouses. Their government is marked as Great League (which says it doesn't have a monarchy), so I have no clue how they're able to freely construct this stuff or get these institutions
dasbachd 24 Jan, 2023 @ 10:15am 
Thx for your afford!
By the way: I'm fighting the Iroquis as Maya, really tough warriors!
dasbachd 25 Jan, 2023 @ 11:59am 
I finally managed to do the reform to monarchy at about 725 by coincidence. After fighting the creek, I forced them to release a nation, which founded a mixture of some feudalistic tribe?!? This way I had a fitting neighbour, strange?!
Cherrywick 26 Jan, 2023 @ 9:27am 
Yeah, this also is a problem for Hellenic nations, in a different way. Someone decided that apparently you need a flat number of Christian provinces to reform a Hellenic nation. 20 provinces is no problem for the Roman Empire, but if you're playing a custom nation or manage to last long as a small Hellenic nation, then you're screwed.
Waruiko 16 Feb, 2023 @ 10:32am 
There being no [reliable] way to reform is an issue. Maybe if we ever get new mission trees for the new world we could get something to fix that issue. It doesn't need to be easy but requiring 100 loyalty in an estate might work. Part of the problem is you can't reform off a primitive nation so in the current version even if you border a monarchy with an innovation you're stuck.

IE: mission requires 100 loyalty in at least 1 estate -> unlocks a decision -> decision triggers an event -> 100 noble = monarchy, 100 burgers = republic, 100 church = theocracy, 4th option to back out if selected by mistake -> picking option 1, 2, or 3 lets you click the reform religion option without bordering anything.
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