Crusader Kings III

Crusader Kings III

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Scarelya  [developer] 6 Sep, 2020 @ 1:58pm
Submit inaccuracies here
If any religion - God(s) forbid - is misrepresented in anyway, this is the discussion to tell me so
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Balmung 11 Sep, 2020 @ 1:40am 
At a glance, Waaqi should be monotheistic rather than polytheistic, as so far as I can tell, Waaqa is the sole god of the Waaqi (or more accurately, Waaqeffanna) faith.
Scarelya  [developer] 12 Sep, 2020 @ 8:07am 
Balmung,
May I credit you in the changelog?
Balmung 18 Sep, 2020 @ 12:26am 
Yes you may
Scarelya  [developer] 18 Sep, 2020 @ 7:42am 
Brilliant!
Giggles 14 Dec, 2020 @ 9:56am 
Zoroastrianism should have Dualistic cosmology methinks
Communard 23 Apr, 2021 @ 2:22am 
Some of the "rationalist" Muslim schools, i.e. Maturidism and Sufrism, have the "Literalism" tenet, despite this being precisely the opposite of their stance - their own descriptions make note of the importance of human reasoning and interpretation of religious texts, yet they have a doctrine describing reasoning as of limited value. It's a shame, because the actual mechanical features of the "Literalism" tenet make sense (debates, philosophy as a virtue), but it is very odd that it seems to imply the opposite of its description
Primake 31 May, 2021 @ 8:02am 
Gnostic christian faiths are considered monotheistic, even though gnosticism is defined by an evil lesser god that created the material world, and a good god that created the soul and the spiritual world. Gnosticism is inherently ditheistic.
LoneStarRuach 31 Aug, 2021 @ 1:20pm 
Originally posted by Scarēlios:
If any religion - God(s) forbid - is misrepresented in anyway, this is the discussion to tell me so

I don't know if these threads are still used but, Judaism sadly has some inaccuracies. Many of these fall into gray areas, but some of them should definitely be changed.

Religious Tradition: This is a bit complicated. In Judaism we have the Tanakh(Which includes the Torah- Five Books of Moses), in which part of the law is given. But then in addition to this we have the Oral Law(Which is today written in part of the Talmud.) In this case depending on exactly what we mean by "Holy Book" Judaism could fall into Holy Book or Sacred Scriptures, as our religious law was originally partially conveyed orally(even if this is no longer the case). It is probably not that big a deal if it is left on Holy Book.

G-ds: Monotheistic is fine, however if you add Panentheism at a later point, it should be noted that there are Rabbinic Jews past and present who have a Panentheistic conception of G-d. Monotheism is the most mainstream view, so this is likely where it should stay regardless.

Nature of G-dhood: This should undoubtedly be changed to Immortal and Ethereal(Not just Immortal). Maimonides(One of the most important and influential Rabbis ever) tells us that belief in an incorporeal God is a fundamental belief in Judaism. In general, Judaism emphasizes are inability to conceive of such a transcendent being. We might be able to understanding certain things about G-d through philosophy or the revelation of the Prophets, but we are ultimately limited from our understanding of what some modern theologians refer to as "the Ineffable". I think confusion from this might originate from the fact that the Torah is filled with physical descriptions of G-d, but this is because we can only speak of G-d within our own human limitations.(It should be noted the corporeal descriptions of G-d are thought by Bible Critics to be because the Torah was composed in different time periods in Israelite society.) Nonetheless, Rabbinic Judaism should have the tenet changed to Ethereal and Immortal.

- Divine Guidance: I am a bit confused about the difference between Prophets and Anointed Deliverer. In Judaism we have Prophets, and they do reveal things to us from G-d. I am confused as to what anointed deliverer is supposed to be? I think that Prophets are more appropriate then the current doctrine, but perhaps I am just failing to understand something here.

Eschatology: Once again I am confused about what a "Deliverer" is. In Judaism, the Mashiach(Messiah) has not arrived yet, but when he does he will lead us into the Messianic age/World to Come. Jewish texts are very ambiguous on how this will happen and what it will entail. There are a lot of different views on the specifics(although most Jews agree would on some basic things). I do not think Judgement Day is correct because of the description(although many scholars think that there will be some sort of "final" judgement prior to the World to Come, but no grand event as described by some Christians), but the "Deliverer" leaves a lot to be desired. The coming of the Mashiach does not have to be preceded by a disintegration of our values, it could be preceded by the world being brought to a much more perfect state. Idk, Deliever is likely the best option out of all of these. Generally speaking, Eschatology has never been the most important part of Judaism, and there has usually been a focus on the "here and now".

Thanatology: Paradise and Underworld is probably the best. One again Judaism is pretty vague here. Most Rabbinic Medieval Rabbanim would like speak of the soul going to Gehinom(sometimes translated as hell) for purification for 11 MONTHS, not forever. Or the soul being in the garden of Eden. This should not be thought of as a physical place though.

- Holy Mortals: I think that no Holy Mortals is for the best. People might be able to feel some connection to the Ineffable, but the days of Nevi'im(prophets) are over, we don't really have saints in Judaism. But I suppose it depends on how you are using this.

Prayer: Obligatory(I think it is set on this already), it is a Mitzvah(Commandment) to pray three times a day.

Atonement: Mandatory or Encouraged is fine, you are not required to go to a spiritual leader, but you are required to make amends with G-d, or someone you have wronged. It depends how you are classifying it here.

Almsgiving: It should be mandatory, charitable giving is a Mitzvah(Commandment/Sacred Obligation), traditional Jews practice ma'sar kesafim, tithing 10% of there income to people in need. But regardless it is an obligation to give to the needy.
Giggles 6 Sep, 2021 @ 5:19am 
Originally posted by Primake:
Gnostic christian faiths are considered monotheistic, even though gnosticism is defined by an evil lesser god that created the material world, and a good god that created the soul and the spiritual world. Gnosticism is inherently ditheistic.

Not really, you can just cop out and say the evil god is lesser and not a true god deserving of worship. That's what monotheistic Gnostic Christians said, and that's what even a lot of Christians today argue when it comes to the god/devil argument .
Ice_Butter 19 Sep, 2021 @ 8:25pm 
Catharism should have dualism instead of theistic creation, and the dualist religions should probably have equality rather than male-dominated
nlinzer 9 Nov, 2021 @ 8:19pm 
So I don't know about other Judasims, but I know for Rabbinic Juadism(and I think this is true for all the sects), there is only heaven no hell, no holy people the no holy human nothing like saints or avatars, no other divinities other than G-d so no angels, alsgiving and atonment is mandatory though atonment is not done through a priest but only between you and G-d.

There will be a deliver but that person is not divine. and I think thats it but I might be wrong, I'll check next time I play. Sorry if I'm being rude.
Last edited by nlinzer; 9 Nov, 2021 @ 8:20pm
nlinzer 9 Nov, 2021 @ 8:25pm 
Originally posted by Matsebi:
Originally posted by Scarēlios:
If any religion - God(s) forbid - is misrepresented in anyway, this is the discussion to tell me so

I don't know if these threads are still used but, Judaism sadly has some inaccuracies. Many of these fall into gray areas, but some of them should definitely be changed.

Religious Tradition: This is a bit complicated. In Judaism we have the Tanakh(Which includes the Torah- Five Books of Moses), in which part of the law is given. But then in addition to this we have the Oral Law(Which is today written in part of the Talmud.) In this case depending on exactly what we mean by "Holy Book" Judaism could fall into Holy Book or Sacred Scriptures, as our religious law was originally partially conveyed orally(even if this is no longer the case). It is probably not that big a deal if it is left on Holy Book.

G-ds: Monotheistic is fine, however if you add Panentheism at a later point, it should be noted that there are Rabbinic Jews past and present who have a Panentheistic conception of G-d. Monotheism is the most mainstream view, so this is likely where it should stay regardless.

Nature of G-dhood: This should undoubtedly be changed to Immortal and Ethereal(Not just Immortal). Maimonides(One of the most important and influential Rabbis ever) tells us that belief in an incorporeal God is a fundamental belief in Judaism. In general, Judaism emphasizes are inability to conceive of such a transcendent being. We might be able to understanding certain things about G-d through philosophy or the revelation of the Prophets, but we are ultimately limited from our understanding of what some modern theologians refer to as "the Ineffable". I think confusion from this might originate from the fact that the Torah is filled with physical descriptions of G-d, but this is because we can only speak of G-d within our own human limitations.(It should be noted the corporeal descriptions of G-d are thought by Bible Critics to be because the Torah was composed in different time periods in Israelite society.) Nonetheless, Rabbinic Judaism should have the tenet changed to Ethereal and Immortal.

- Divine Guidance: I am a bit confused about the difference between Prophets and Anointed Deliverer. In Judaism we have Prophets, and they do reveal things to us from G-d. I am confused as to what anointed deliverer is supposed to be? I think that Prophets are more appropriate then the current doctrine, but perhaps I am just failing to understand something here.

Eschatology: Once again I am confused about what a "Deliverer" is. In Judaism, the Mashiach(Messiah) has not arrived yet, but when he does he will lead us into the Messianic age/World to Come. Jewish texts are very ambiguous on how this will happen and what it will entail. There are a lot of different views on the specifics(although most Jews agree would on some basic things). I do not think Judgement Day is correct because of the description(although many scholars think that there will be some sort of "final" judgement prior to the World to Come, but no grand event as described by some Christians), but the "Deliverer" leaves a lot to be desired. The coming of the Mashiach does not have to be preceded by a disintegration of our values, it could be preceded by the world being brought to a much more perfect state. Idk, Deliever is likely the best option out of all of these. Generally speaking, Eschatology has never been the most important part of Judaism, and there has usually been a focus on the "here and now".

Thanatology: Paradise and Underworld is probably the best. One again Judaism is pretty vague here. Most Rabbinic Medieval Rabbanim would like speak of the soul going to Gehinom(sometimes translated as hell) for purification for 11 MONTHS, not forever. Or the soul being in the garden of Eden. This should not be thought of as a physical place though.

- Holy Mortals: I think that no Holy Mortals is for the best. People might be able to feel some connection to the Ineffable, but the days of Nevi'im(prophets) are over, we don't really have saints in Judaism. But I suppose it depends on how you are using this.

Prayer: Obligatory(I think it is set on this already), it is a Mitzvah(Commandment) to pray three times a day.

Atonement: Mandatory or Encouraged is fine, you are not required to go to a spiritual leader, but you are required to make amends with G-d, or someone you have wronged. It depends how you are classifying it here.

Almsgiving: It should be mandatory, charitable giving is a Mitzvah(Commandment/Sacred Obligation), traditional Jews practice ma'sar kesafim, tithing 10% of there income to people in need. But regardless it is an obligation to give to the needy.

So I mostly agree with you but with two disagreements. One we are only required to do the shema, we are not required to do all the davanings 3 times per day. Second on the nature of G-dhood. you argued Maimodedes perspective, but Juadism even rabbinic, is open to many diffrent beliefs. Basically Rabbinic Judasim says, G-d might be etheral, G-d might be similar to humans, G-d might even have a physical form, what we focus on is keeping the Halacha. Theology is diffrent depending on the individual and its all accetable.
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