maybe 30% firing speed yes i know that would be slow but shot gun is mostly for outputting damgae so maybe 0-5 percent less damage

Originally posted by Lord of Chaos:

This was going to appear sooner or later.
I was thinking a larger clip. I always missed most of my shots with the shotgun.

Heres my thoughts:

+3 shots in clip
+20% more accuracy
-20% firing speed
-15% damage

Thoughts?

with the size of that drum it should have way more than 3 more shots i was thinking like 6

Your stats sound like the family business which is +33% clip size and -15% damage done.
Maybe something to tie it in with it's Inglorious Bastards reference point.

-20% reload speed
-Mini-Crits per pellet that Headshots (Scalping)
-Scalping Kills gives you +30% faster reloading for 4 seconds
-Some + or - spread modifier?

Force soldiers to aim differently to gain a slight advantage.

make sure the stats arent op :V

With the way the weapon looks, I would say...
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+10% Firing speed to all weapons on wearer
+2 Shells in clip (8 shots in all)
+10% Weapon switch (ONLY APPLIES FOR THE SHOTGUN ITSELF)
-20% Damage bonus
+10% Damage taken from fire
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Disscussion time!
First off, I want everyone to know that I am a huge shotgun user. I use it for Pyro, Soldier, and sometimes even Heavy, so I've been waiting for a while for a weapon like this. I only use the shotgun to finish people off, or deal damage when my primary is out of clip, so I would love it if there was a quick way to use it. I think this lovely weapon design would fit perfectly for this.
If you have an idea on this, I would love to hear your reply. Thanks!

~Wolf

Originally posted by Harribo:

Your stats sound like the family business which is +33% clip size and -15% damage done.
Maybe something to tie it in with it's Inglorious Bastards reference point.

-20% reload speed
-Mini-Crits per pellet that Headshots (Scalping)
-Scalping Kills gives you +30% faster reloading for 4 seconds
-Some + or - spread modifier?

Force soldiers to aim differently to gain a slight advantage.

Just my opinion, but here's my logic: Shotgun + Headshots = Not a good idea

Originally posted by WolfScouter:

Just my opinion, but here's my logic: Shotgun + Headshots = Not a good idea

What's the worst that could happen? Sounds like a blast to pull up a little when you know you are finishing someone off to grab a scalp kill

Seems good, but improved accuracy and less damage...Eh. -15% doesn't do that much when pellets do 3-9 damage, you'd have to make them all hit at point blank and you'd do maybe 70-80. 80-90 with default shotgun. WIKI FTW SO THESE MIGHT NOT BE CORRECT! Not sure how the reload would work, but...Maybe it reloads all rounds at once, because it has a drum?

Perhaps:

150% clip size. (9 rounds!)
1.6 seconds extra reload time. (The default shotgun takes 3.5 seconds to load in every round, 3 extra rounds would mean a shotgun would take 5 seconds. So 5+1.6=6.6 seconds to reload every round at the same time.)
20% extra accuracy.
You lose all rounds in the current drum when reloading. No tactical reloads, son!
20% extra ammunition. LOLZ.



May seem overpowered, but it's more of an "aim properly with those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 9 shots or you have to reload and then you sit through 6.6 seconds of dieing" weapon. Seems good for those who can make good shots, but the reload speed would be crippling. And the accuracy would be good for making those shots, any boost would help in a shotgun.
Yey I made a post. Now people, please don't berate me and start whacking me in the head with a shotgun. Those things hurt.

I MADE THESE STATS FOR FUN, I KNOW VALVE DOES THE STATS BUT IT'S STILL FUN!



I reckon let it function similarly to the scout's shortstop

(i) Reloads by full clip replacement (not 1 by 1 like shotgun or scattergun)
+50% fire rate
+20% damage per successful hit
+25% increased accuracy (bulletspread similar to shortstop)
-40% less damage
- Damage bonus resets after miss


Basically the purpose of this is that...

It functions similary to the shorstop but does overall less damage but gains a damage bonus on each succssful hit. If you get 3 shots you gain +60% damage. If you hit 6 of your shots you gain +120% damage. Do mind that it starts off with 40% less damage. So in the end you would gain +80% damage if you hit all your shots. Would be hard to hit enemies due to the more concise bullet spread which would make it easier for mid range shots. The way to beat a shotgun with these stats would be to stay away from him and jump alot cause if you get close and allow him to get some shots on him with this, ouch thats gonna hurt.



ORR


Let it function like the Engineer's Widowmaker. Though what would he have to sacrifice when using this gun then? HP!

+Does not need to reload to fire
+Gain 60% of damage done as HP
-Lose 30HP per shot
-25% slower heal rate when active
-25% slower overheal rate when active

Basically is the widowmaker for Soldier. If you deal a nice meatshot around 90 dmg, you'd get 50HP back. Slower heal and overheal rate is a negative as if it wasn't added then it wouldn't be a risk at all if you were being pocketed.

"Pain is weakness, leaving the body" - Soldier



I MADE THESE STATS FOR FUN, I KNOW VALVE DOES THE STATS BUT IT'S STILL FUN!

I was thinking of maybe something like extra rounds, faster firing speed,(maybe faster reload too?) but lower damage and lower accuracy. Basically a spammy shotgun that deals lower damage. I'm not the mathiest person out there so I'll leave the specific numbers to someone else to not have it be too op, it would basically be an alternative where people with good aim could make the regular shotgun work better for them, but people with crappy aim would have an easier time with it while still being limited to having a shotgun that is effectively a downgrade if you just have good aim.

Originally posted by Juaneiro:

I was thinking of maybe something like extra rounds, faster firing speed,(maybe faster reload too?) but lower damage and lower accuracy. Basically a spammy shotgun that deals lower damage. I'm not the mathiest person out there so I'll leave the specific numbers to someone else to not have it be too op, it would basically be an alternative where people with good aim could make the regular shotgun work better for them, but people with crappy aim would have an easier time with it while still being limited to having a shotgun that is effectively a downgrade if you just have good aim.

Could'nt have said it better myself.
I just always wanted a shotgun with more rounds, since i'm not the best aim.
I would'nt have said it would have lower damage, but something will be done with accuracy.

I just like a shotgun that I could use as a weapon that I could use alot, instead of just when your primary runs out.

Originally posted by WolfScouter:

With the way the weapon looks, I would say...
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The War Drum

+10% Firing speed to all weapons on wearer
+2 Shells in clip (8 shots in all)
+10% Weapon switch (ONLY APPLIES FOR THE SHOTGUN ITSELF)
-20% Damage bonus
+10% Damage taken from fire
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Disscussion time!
First off, I want everyone to know that I am a huge shotgun user. I use it for Pyro, Soldier, and sometimes even Heavy, so I've been waiting for a while for a weapon like this. I only use the shotgun to finish people off, or deal damage when my primary is out of clip, so I would love it if there was a quick way to use it. I think this lovely weapon design would fit perfectly for this.
If you have an idea on this, I would love to hear your reply. Thanks!

~Wolf

ya i think that is good besides the firing speed

Easy solution: Make it a scattergun

Originally posted by Boopiest BakeStabeER:

Easy solution: Make it a scattergun

*ahem*

Larger clip. Just like the family buisness but for soldier and pyro...

Maybe:

+10% or 15% ammo
10 bullets in clip
+10% acceracy and range
+5% ammo from crates

+7 or 8 sec reload time
cannot reload mid clip
looses 5% durability out
of 1000 per shot lowering the
damage 1% per 5 durability
(bar on bottom right showing durability of the weapon)
can replenish 5% from picking up shotgun weapon from fallen enemys.

The durability idea comes from fallout which has a shotgun very similar to this design.
It would challenge u to be as precise as possible to keep an edge.