Monster Train

Monster Train

Sweetkin Clan
prttt26 3 Nov, 2021 @ 6:20pm
After trying once, the character might be a little too weak
Sorry it's my first try, and I haven't seen the second champion. Almost no good finisher for this character. Like Umbra, needs a lot of space but almost no source of it. Eaten works in a bad time (after all the attacks) and cost space, so they must be very strong or the system would be far too weak.
Sourling and Sour Guard only effect the front enemy makes them only weaker attacks. Making Sour Guard AOE and rise its effect (reduce more strength, or increase its HP lose to the point it can kill a late game middle enemy in 2 shots), or it's too useless.
The Hero is pointless(almost all of them, Host is useful in the middle-end game but highly depend on Sherbet-rus, Brute is good in the early stage but it's almost only a weaker Burnout)
Advice:
1.Make the Basic cards being able to add space, or a basic card that can trigger feeding. For expample: A morsel , eaten: add 1 space. Or an attack , 1 damage per space and Slay:add a space.
2. Completely redesign the champions, one using gorge and the other to be eaten, just like Penumbra and Primodium.
3. Adding Eaten:+1 strength, +1 HP to most Morsels.
Last edited by prttt26; 3 Nov, 2021 @ 6:23pm
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Exas4000  [developer] 9 Nov, 2021 @ 7:11am 
I'm surprised i haven't seen this in my feed! Well, there was plans to do a major rebalance with the help of Rising dusk (the creator of the unnoficial balance patch mod). This mod never had a major balance since january 2021 and needs it more than ever.

Rosette is mostly concerning for the host path, so that one might switch to activate before the battle occur. But they might get a stat boost overall.

The basic cards will get a bit of an upgrade, under the guidance of rising_dusk. The addition of cards could happen, The feeding trigger feels interesting enough :)

the eaten effects might be tweaked, but most likely won't deviate from their current design
aka: sour reduce stats,sweetling give stat, sherbetrus/buttler/pyre-tatoe harm enemies.
but, i cannot say that they shall remain as such.

thank you for your feedback.
Kaerius 14 Jan, 2022 @ 6:26am 
First off, I do like the clan, and I'm not trying to put you down here.

I have to agree that the champions are pretty bad. Brute is the only decent path(and it needs buffet extension to be good), all the others are weak. The sap paths(both champs) need stygian sap cards to reach a level where they can be relied on, the nurture path scaling is too slow and weak, and the security path is just meh, it's worse than any sweep, and even shadoweater. Catering is ok-ish, except the size growing aspect locks you out of using morsels on that floor, so it sabotages the main schtick of the clan.

To compound this, cherry really is too large to begin with, all the awkwardness of Wyldenten/Spine Chief, but nowhere near their power.

The clan really lacks scaling as well, which makes nurturing's and catering's problems stand out even more. It could really use a more common option than Cayene/Spice Chef/Full Course/Diner Spectacle. (Full Course is also difficult to use as scaling outside of Wurmkin/Hellhorned consume retrieval).

Eaten units that are flagged as priority are a problem, and there's a bit too few good eaters vs eaten units in the banners, you really are forced to go to the banners of your other clan to find a good unit to scale. I'm also very disappointed in Tea Maid not cleaning up emberdrain, she's such a weak unit and she doesn't do much with her gorge ability.

I really do like some of the units, for example ice cream butler is fun and useful, the problem is that if you want to use it bottom floor sort of like a frostshark you need endless on two different units (or maybe, just maybe, infuse a small unit with crabcake and dupe the endless butler). The point is, that it gets very awkward, very quickly, to use a lot of the buffet units, you need lots of space and/or multiple floors, and multiple units that can eat them, and this leads to setup inconsistency.

It's a very creative mod, I very much enjoy it, but it's definitely hard mode, you really need to high roll with it.
Exas4000  [developer] 14 Jan, 2022 @ 8:03am 
thank you for your feedback. Although, Tea maid did clear emberdrain in my test for the recent balance patch, so i am unsure if you might be talking about the essence? i can always recheck.

But yes, the clan has its flaws. If the clan was able to do it all, it would get boring fast. Might just be because i tend to like having a challenge.

Well, thank you for giving my mod a go and i hope you shall have the chance to play other clan mods in the future :D
Last edited by Exas4000; 14 Jan, 2022 @ 8:03am
Kaerius 14 Jan, 2022 @ 8:45am 
Originally posted by Exas4000:
thank you for your feedback. Although, Tea maid did clear emberdrain in my test for the recent balance patch, so i am unsure if you might be talking about the essence? i can always recheck.
No, I tried a run with primordium/sweetkin, and used Tea Maid as the gorger, and picked up a furnace tap, despite no perils, and she just didn't ever clear it.
Exas4000  [developer] 14 Jan, 2022 @ 9:07am 
I will look into it!
If i find anything, expect an update.
Kaerius 15 Jan, 2022 @ 3:09am 
Tried her again, still got emberdrained.
Exas4000  [developer] 15 Jan, 2022 @ 7:17am 
its not fixed yet for one. Got a few things i need to do before I can look into this.
Exas4000  [developer] 15 Jan, 2022 @ 9:42pm 
so far, superfood primordium wasn't the problem i think. Got an hypothesis that my code might be clearing only 1 stack of all the negative things in question. If the behaviour showed in the link here is not what you have see in game, i can try to update my mod again with my current build.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1265148494?t=1h36m8s

That recording will expire in 20(14?) days, so i will make sure to replace it with a permanent vod of the same stream as soon as possible.
Last edited by Exas4000; 15 Jan, 2022 @ 9:45pm
Kaerius 16 Jan, 2022 @ 1:56am 
I had morselmaster and tea maid on the top floor, played a 2 buffet morsel (sweetling) and it got emberdrained from being played first on the top floor, duplicated by morselmaster, tea maid ate it... and I still lost two ember next turn.

There was only one stack to clear. If it did any clearing, it did it AFTER the emberdrain happened.
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