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Crypto Forest [2.0]
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BIG PUFFA  [developer] 25 May, 2021 @ 3:24pm
Crypto Forest Speculation
Speculation Corner

Crypto Forest was designed to be mysterious and theorisable, with many things remaining unknown and up to interpretation, this includes many background details and The Trader himself.

I wanna hear some of the player's speculations on some of the things in this map,
Especially, The Trader. He was delibarately made to be possibly interpreted in many different ways.


I ask you players,

What are your theories on who/what the Trader is, was?

What other things do you have a theory on?
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I have a theory about the mansion outside of the map near the lake. From the Trader, we learn that it is haunted, and from the brown VHS, we learn that the mansion might still be haunted, based on the sniper in the helicopter seeing something in it. I believe this may be the setting of your next adventure map. Also on the Trader, I believe he is a highly intelligent wendigo.
TreeZZ 25 May, 2021 @ 6:53pm 
Each of the medallions belongs to a Cult Member. Just a random theory I thought of.
TreeZZ 25 May, 2021 @ 6:58pm 
Another theory I made is either the Mothman the Cult made killed them, or it escaped and other stuff happened.
Also, in their little basement hideout rooms I believe the Cult either killed each other out of madness, blamed each other and killed each either and eventually starving, or they all killed themselves.
I believe the one with one person blaming the others and killing them all is the most likely, given the single skeleton holding the radio in the locked room.
I might be wrong about the single skeleton, I didn’t see any others
TreeZZ 25 May, 2021 @ 7:00pm 
My original theory was the Trader was a robot the Cult made a looong time ago, because the Trader said the power plant had been closed for over a decade.
I imagine he eventually gained sentience and wasn’t attacked by many of the creatures as they didn’t see him as living. It would certainly explain how much he knows about the Cult and why he’s been here for so long.
TreeZZ 25 May, 2021 @ 7:38pm 
Another theory I just got is that the Flatwoods Monster was convinced to come to wherever Crypto Forest takes place by the Cult, as they have a working radio.
This theory might be a little different to what you were expecting, as it is more map mechanic related. In the map, while you are only meant to play for 4 nights, the night counter goes up to 5, and the clocks keep working until the 6th. Does this mean that the map was originally planned to have 6 nights? Also, something I noticed was that if you don't interact with the Trader, the Flatwoods Monster never spawns. Is this intentional?
BIG PUFFA  [developer] 26 May, 2021 @ 2:36pm 
Yes, when the update was being developped it was meant to expand the original's 3 night limit to around 6 nights, and I forgot to remove that logic from the final version, so you will still see the counter go up and even falsely hear the leviathan.
The Flattwoods monster doesn't appear if you don't interact with the trader because the FW event is programmed to trigger Trader voice lines, which wouldn't make sense if you haven't met him yet.
Theory: The giant snake is the Cult's idol.
Proof: The Trader saying he doesn't see what most saw in the snake, the Lake Cabin Resident noting that they worship something in a tree, and the paintings in the powerplant.
Last edited by Project Javelin, The Saboteur; 26 May, 2021 @ 3:39pm
TreeZZ 27 May, 2021 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by Project Javelin:
Theory: The giant snake is the Cult's idol.
Proof: The Trader saying he doesn't see what most saw in the snake, the Lake Cabin Resident noting that they worship something in a tree, and the paintings in the powerplant.
That actually makes so much sense
I was so confused about what their idol thing in the basement of the power plant from the painting was
TreeZZ 27 May, 2021 @ 12:34pm 
I honestly think the Trader might be an ex-Cult member. How would he know so much about the cult?
Also who was the Goatman?
What were the Cult trying to summon that caused the Leviathan?
Is the Cult dead now?
Is the Cult somehow related to the mansion that the Trader mentions?
HotColdman 27 May, 2021 @ 6:51pm 
i feel like the trader is supposed to be one of the campers we saw in the tapes, just something happened to him and that's why he's like this now
Mordecai 2 Jun, 2021 @ 3:09pm 
Well we know that the "Trader" has some sort of relation to the Goat man you dig up in the forest. so does this mean that the Trader and the Goat man are brothers or some sort of failed ritual by the cult? Do the Wendigos you see have a relation to the Trader and goatman?
The trader specifically says that the Leviathan that comes on night 4 was made by a failed ritual to create the Mothman. So we know that the Mothman was not in existence before the "Monster" from night 4 was,
So I think that after the cult summoned the Leviathan, they angered the Deity they worshipped and they then tried to make up for it by doing the ritual correctly and creating the Moth man.
Then the Deity not satisfied placed a curse upon the forest and the cult members desperate tried calling for help on the radio (Which ill point out the Trader said he had no knowledge of) according to folklore a "Wendigo" is someone who has gone mad and eaten human flesh which must be why the Wendigos you see ambush you and kill you presumably to eat you so maybe the Wendigos are Cult members and villagers who have gone mad and restorted to cannibalism from lack of food in the forest.
So we know that the Trader knew the Goat man so perhaps he and the Goat man were failed rituals by the cult.
But then how did the goatman die? Who buried him? Couldn't been the Trader since he asked you to go find him and dig him up. However what happened to the Soldier that hid out in the well? Perhaps he turned into the Goat man? Why were there dead and injured wolves that did not attack you? Why was the Giant snake dead and hanging from a tree? So many questions! I guess we will have to find out more in the next map!
Last edited by Mordecai; 2 Jun, 2021 @ 8:00pm
astralknight 9 Sep, 2021 @ 6:44am 
I'm still don't understand yet why there is a button on a Watch tower that will activate or spawn Flatwoods Monster before Night 2.
BIG PUFFA  [developer] 9 Sep, 2021 @ 12:05pm 
How did you find that? It's inside of a solid wall i'm sure, it was used for testing
Mordecai 9 Sep, 2021 @ 1:01pm 
Hahaha! People always find a way!

Originally posted by Unicake:
How did you find that? It's inside of a solid wall i'm sure, it was used for testing
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