Can you can make the "Ordinary life" item Make that the old chest item pool can appear anywhere, And maybe change the description To "Tears up + You feel nostalgic"
(Example: Moms knife on angel room, dads lost coin appear on Treasure room Etc...)
(I know that i already write this but Now is this apropiate section xd)

Well there's a few things that are missing (even if it's partially tied to tainted characters), and that only The Lost has an unlock for getting all completion marks. Mayhaps adding in some extra things for the other characters? Once I think of some ideas I could spitball them aroudn in here

An expansion on status effects? it's a cool feature that went relatively unused throughout repentance.

If Ordinary Life is too simple maybe it's tears up could break the tear cap ?

Originally posted by Quba:

If Ordinary Life is too simple maybe it's tears up could break the tear cap ?

It already can break the cap.

In that case I think it's fine, not sure why the item list called it boring.

I always find the revive as other characters effect kinda boring so maybe Adam's Rib could have an additional effect ? For example it could grant you half of the stat up of ♥♥♥♥♥ of Babylon when on one red heart or spawn cloties for the room when you get hit (Both ideas assume that the effect would be simmilar to Eve)

After playing with the mod for a few days, I've definitely got a few ideas/suggestions. The only problem is I don't know what I would replace for items that I think are either too weak or just plain boring.

- Mark of Cain: This thing seems quite bland, especially considering its basically a Soul of Lazarus with extra steps. The only problem is that I don't know what it should do in place of its current effect.
- Bless of the Dead: This is way too weak for a quality 4 drop that appears in Secret Rooms. This also competes with Black Candle, which doesn't rely on preventing curses for its other effects to work (black heart on pickup and increased deal chance).
- Tower of Babel: Needs a charge time buff or a rework, as its basically a Dad's Key with a bonus Hagalaz effect, especially since they're in the same item pool.
- DNA Redactor: This needs some sort of rework since the effects are either awful or straight up OP. I do like how it shows the effect though, that display's pretty cool.
- Magic Pen: I was gonna comment about how this should be called Magic Marker but it seems you've got that covered in the Notion page you guys posted a while back in the main comments. I'd also request for a change in the creep spawn or the effect as its currently laggy as heck with any tear ups.
- Zen Baby: Maybe could have reduced shot speed similar to Seraphim, as its basically the Godhead counterpart to Seraphim's Sacred Heart shots. I'm also seconding the idea to change the name to Cherubim to make it more fitting.
- Sinner's Heart: This is basically a copy-paste of Sacred Heart but for Devil Deals. The costume is fire though, I will admit that.
- Cheese Grater: In its current state, it's basically a worse Potato Peeler (spawning two Minisaacs instead of a Cube of Meat).
- Adam's Rib: I agree with the comment above mine in that the "revive as X character" effect is kind of bland, especially since Broken Ankh, Ankh, and Judas' Shadow, do this already, for better or worse.
- Angel's Crown: Maybe change the way the floor overlay applies to straight up be the Cathedral layout (like how Devil's crown does it preemptively, unless there's an API reason)? Also, would it be possible to add a light blueish item room door to match with the crimson red Devil's Crown door (just for aesthetics)?

I really don't like to sound like I'm ranting or hating on the mod, because I really like most of the stuff here, especially stuff like Quasar (and Quasar Shard by proxy), Reverse Joker, and the planned and already present Four Souls additions. I don't want to rush/push/force these changes upon you, so keep working at your own pace. I just felt there was some stuff I had to comment on while this still fantastic mod is in its infancy. I'll try to add some more ideas (as in what the items should do) when I think of them, but currently I've got none. Again, not trying to sound like a hater, just throwing out my thoughts and suggestions.

Originally posted by Awestin11:

This thing seems quite bland, especially considering its basically a Soul of Lazarus with extra steps.

Those extra steps being: relying on your familiars, removing them, giving you dmg boost for each familiar consumed. Not good enough?
Also, the item is canon to the Bible :)

Originally posted by Awestin11:

This is way too weak for a quality 4 drop that appears in Secret Rooms. This also competes with Black Candle

It's not designed to compete with BC, it's a counterpart of it and one more item that allows you to prevent curses. But yeah maybe you're right and it's quality will be reduced for balancing reasons (I completely forgot that BC increases your deal chance lmao)

Originally posted by Awestin11:

Needs a charge time buff or a rework, as its basically a Dad's Key with a bonus Hagalaz effect

Initially it was a 4-room recharge (which makes sense because 2(dad's key) + 2(hagalaz with clear rune) = 4), but then we thought of a rework, added the confusion effect and recharge time just couldn't stay the same. So here's a 6-room.

Originally posted by Awestin11:

This needs some sort of rework since the effects are either awful or straight up OP

That's what this item is intended to be: pill's side effects should be just like normal pill effects, good or bad, but amplified. Although we did have a thought about making some effects (namely R Key) applying only to horse pills, again, for balancing reasons.

Originally posted by Awestin11:

I'd also request for a change in the creep spawn or the effect as its currently laggy as heck

Will see how we can improve it.

Originally posted by Awestin11:

Maybe could have reduced shot speed similar to Seraphim, as its basically the Godhead counterpart to Seraphim's Sacred Heart shots.

Zen Baby's DPS was specifically tested and compared to one of Seraphim for different firerate values. It is about the same, so no changes are needed for now, in my opinion.

Originally posted by Awestin11:

In its current state, it's basically a worse Potato Peeler

Having Minisaacs instead of Cube of Meat is compensated by a bigger dmg up and lower item quality. No changes are expected for this item right now.

Originally posted by Awestin11:

I agree with the comment above mine in that the "revive as X character" effect is kind of bland

Yes, it's just a simple revival trinket, we're okay with that, and you mayhaps should be too. Not everything we make is expected to be a super complicated thing. Plus, again, the trinket is canon to the Bible :)

Originally posted by Awestin11:

Maybe change the way the floor overlay applies to straight up be the Cathedral layout? Also, would it be possible to add a light blueish item room door?

I would really love to do that, but yeah, there are API reasons restraining me in that regard. So no fancy doors / floor overlays / icons on the minimap for now, sorry :(

Regardless, thank you for your thorough response and the time you spent on it, I really appreciate any sort of feedback!

Originally posted by Mr. SeemsGood:

Zen Baby's DPS was specifically tested and compared to one of Seraphim for different firerate values. It is about the same, so no changes are needed for now, in my opinion.

Zen Baby tieing with Seraphim in DPS is something I should've expected since the Godhead shots, but I originally said that because both Sacred Heart and Godhead give shot speed downs.

Originally posted by Mr. SeemsGood:

Having Minisaacs instead of Cube of Meat is compensated by a bigger dmg up and lower item quality. No changes are expected for this item right now.

I actually didn't know Cheese Grater gave a higher damage up, so my bad on that one.

Originally posted by Mr. SeemsGood:

Those extra steps being: relying on your familiars, removing them, giving you dmg boost for each familiar consumed. Not good enough?
Also, the item is canon to the Bible :)

Originally posted by Mr. SeemsGood:

Yes, it's just a simple revival trinket, we're okay with that, and you mayhaps should be too. Not everything we make is expected to be a super complicated thing. Plus, again, the trinket is canon to the Bible :)

For Mark of Cain and Adam's Rib, I may have been a bit harsh on those two, especially the latter. I know it's canon for both of these because I've wanted a Mark of Cain item for a while, but never had an idea on what it would actually do.

Originally posted by Mr. SeemsGood:

Initially it was a 4-room recharge (which makes sense because 2(dad's key) + 2(hagalaz with clear rune) = 4), but then we thought of a rework, added the confusion effect and recharge time just couldn't stay the same. So here's a 6-room.

I also didn't know that Tower of Babel stunned/confused enemies.

Originally posted by Mr. SeemsGood:

I would really love to do that, but yeah, there are API reasons restraining me in that regard. So no fancy doors / floor overlays / icons on the minimap for now, sorry :(

Should've expected that. I'm no modder but I've heard that are a few issues with the API, especially with stuff detailing to custom sounds and rooms. We can only hope that the Repentance patch fixes some of those problems so they don't hurt the modding experience, especially on the developer side of things.

Originally posted by Mr. SeemsGood:

Regardless, thank you for your thorough response and the time you spent on it, I really appreciate any sort of feedback!

No problem. I want mods to grow for the better over time so that they are more enjoyable for everyone. I just found some things I had to bring up while playing/testing the mod out, that's all. Thanks for the kind words.

Well, since there's still some things for "all marks" that are unconfirmed, mind if I lay a few down here?

Isaac/The Broken (could work for either) - Unlimited Options "No more choices" (Choice based item pedestals (like the polaroid/negative, boss rush room, and most angel deals) no longer disappear when one is picked)

Bethany/The Zealot - can't think of a name, but a passive item that works like Tarot Cloth for runes and soul stones, improving their effects

Bethany/The Zealot (the one not corresponding to the above) - Blessing from the Stars "the heavens shine upon you" (I feel like a guaranteed Planetarium each floor is way too good, so maybe have a guaranteed Planetarium every other floor? Kinda like Keeper's Penny for planetariums)

Cain - Gilded Crown "Treasures everlasting" (Keeper's Penny but for item rooms, very creative I know)

Apollyon/The Empty - can't think of a name (I'm very bad at this step) but something along the lines of "items seen (but not taken) are voided automatically and give you stat ups"

I might come back here when I think of more but I hope these are at least considered in the future!

Howdy howdy. I saw this back when it was just a reddit post. Thought it was pretty sick, and decided to write up a concept for every single thing it listed. Didn't see any greed or All completion mark items/trinkets/cards so I decided to add my own. I also wrote up ideas for achievements you might receive for beating a certain boss with every character, similar to the Mega Blast unlock.

I don't really have a use for the document anymore, given you guys made something before I could put the concepts up on reddit (hardly complaining, this looks sick), so I figured I'd just chuck it here. If you guys like the concepts, take em at your leisure. I really enjoyed the creative challenge.

Link to google doc[docs.google.com]

Got some rather simple trinket ideas that could be of use, especially with the amount of trinkets that would be in the game with this mod as well.

- Belly Fluff: increases the chance for room's to reward the player with trinkets. (Description: "Nothin' but Lint!")

- Glue Stick: allows the player to hold an additional trinket while this trinket is held. effect does not stack with other items which do the same. when gulped/smelted it allows the player to hold an additional trinket without taking up trinket space. (Description: "Tastes nice... and sticky.")

Originally posted by genraldarumaka:

Got some rather simple trinket ideas that could be of use, especially with the amount of trinkets that would be in the game with this mod as well.

- Glue Stick: allows the player to hold an additional trinket while this trinket is held. effect does not stack with other items which do the same. when gulped/smelted it allows the player to hold an additional trinket without taking up trinket space. (Description: "Tastes nice... and sticky.")

So it's Trinket that does nothing unless you smelt it, I think it would better if it gave you a chance to fire tears that stick enemies together, glued enemies then take damage at the same time no matter which one got hit

Originally posted by Jackson baileys dog vault:

Howdy howdy. I saw this back when it was just a reddit post. Thought it was pretty sick, and decided to write up a concept for every single thing it listed. Didn't see any greed or All completion mark items/trinkets/cards so I decided to add my own. I also wrote up ideas for achievements you might receive for beating a certain boss with every character, similar to the Mega Blast unlock.

I don't really have a use for the document anymore, given you guys made something before I could put the concepts up on reddit (hardly complaining, this looks sick), so I figured I'd just chuck it here. If you guys like the concepts, take em at your leisure. I really enjoyed the creative challenge.

Link to google doc[docs.google.com]

hello, thank you for support, butterfly effect is pretty sick right? just one reddit post and i made the whole mod and found some great people. I'm reading all the comments up here, and i have read your ideas too, but i won't say if we are going to add something there, just wait and maybe you'll see :)