Definitely need UAS compatibility.

UAS sucks

since you don't explain why you think it sucks I assume you just don't know how to set it up properly it is for somewhat advanced users since it has realistic projectile and blast effects and unless you use rookies ammo belt loader for vehicles it's not as useful unless you also use SVO super vehicle overhaul

A massive amount of mostly useless garbage, and most of the good stuff is not ACE compatible, anyway. You must use ACE (and not bCombat or Dagger's ammo/mags) to get proper hit detection in Arma 3 so you can't kill someone with immediately just unloading a mag in someone's leg. Use ACE and use the 7.62 NATO rounds (like the rare/expensive m993 AP) with the NGSW stuff right now until they fix the 6.8. The military's 6.8 is essentially just a cheaper, mass produced, partly inferior m993. The only thing superior about the 6.8mm mil spec (not same as civilian Fury or any other 6.8, btw) is the BC on it, which this NGSW mod is still not properly reflecting, anyway.

You should probably try SVO and rookies belt loader for infantry weapons there really isn't much point and going through every single kind of bullet I would just use vanilla for the bullets unless there is something special like duplex or if you're using shotguns there's some HE and FRAG/EFP rounds and some chemical warfare type stuff most of all I like the explosions from the 40 millimeters and the rocket launchers

I can vouch for the gun & ammo packs in the following list of mods having sufficient amounts of good quality ACE compatible content to make them worth trying...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OkWp1M5cRmbQ0GUsO5uHwcbz4-RYhqqm/view?usp=sharing

@Reticuli I am the one on the team responsible for the ammunition specifications. The team wants to get these as close to real as possible.

The real world shooting of the 6.8x51 shows a tremendous improvement in accuracy and energy on the target compared to.308 at every distance up to and beyond the effective range of the.308 projectile with a shorter barrel and lighter overall cartridge.

I can promise you that the ammo for the 6.8x51 rounds from SIG is the same across the board; whether it's for the military or the civilian market. The BC on the 150gr & 135gr rounds is directly from the milspec. However; 6.8TVC for the RM277 is built off the known SAAMI specifications, and the Textron cased telescopic ammo is a guess based off of a handful of rumors for projectile dimensions. If you have any dissenting information that you can share please let us know.

Originally posted by Reticuli:

A massive amount of mostly useless garbage, and most of the good stuff is not ACE compatible, anyway. You must use ACE (and not bCombat or Dagger's ammo/mags) to get proper hit detection in Arma 3 so you can't kill someone with immediately just unloading a mag in someone's leg.

No going to say you're wrong in this but bCombat and Daggers ammo is off by a large margin and based on some widely speculative information that someone dug up off a video game laser round...at least that is my opinion.

Originally posted by Reticuli:

Use ACE and use the 7.62 NATO rounds (like the rare/expensive m993 AP) with the NGSW stuff right now until they fix the 6.8. The military's 6.8 is essentially just a cheaper, mass produced, partly inferior m993.

The DoD for the US military never approved a valid large quantity purchase of M993 and it is illegal to import into the US. There are small stocks of M993 but there is not a US based manufacturer of the round and there never will be to my knowledge.

The ammo in the NGA mod is fixed unless you have information that shows otherwise and we can then go back and redo the ammunition capabilities within the limitations of the Arma 3 properties for how ammo is handled.

Originally posted by Reticuli:

The only thing superior about the 6.8mm mil spec (not same as civilian Fury or any other 6.8, btw) is the BC on it, which this NGSW mod is still not properly reflecting, anyway.

See previous reply. https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/2770322183/3185738755286268799/#c3461605794221968061

Yes, you cannot use bCombat or Dagger's ammo/mags if you want ACE to work right until those get improved. The only thing I'm loading from Dagger are the guns themselves and delete all the other stuff... load as a custom, local mod.

Yes, the Sig 6.8mm mil round is very high pressure to make up for the 13-inch barrel.

Why were you reiterating the M993 being rare, expensive, and not available to private buyers in the USA when I'm talking about existing ammo in Arma 3 + ACE for the NGSW guns?

I see you've just updated the Sig 6.8 ammo to ACE compatibility. This is good. The Textron and Lonestar/TV NGSW 6.8 ammo still shows no muzzle velocity and the original worse BC than the ACE 7.62 NATO rounds. All the NGSW guns used the same US Army proprietary projectile/bullet. The NGSW program started with that bullet, with various different casings, powder, guns, etc, to send it down range.

Both the Sig and the RM277 sent their bullets downrange beyond the program requirements at muzzle velocities exceeding 3000fps for their respective 13-inch and 20-inch barrels.

So, like I said, people still should be using something like M993 on the guns that lack ACE ammo, with the proviso that you'll get worse BC than you should be getting.

(forget this part) BTW, your Raptor has red stock, mag, and rail piece, and the suppressor is now completely gone. Neat addition, but you might want to add a 13" Spear, since that's the winner of the competition.

The stock Spear is about a 1.3 MOA gun, by the way, while the RM277 was a bit odd, usually being substantially sub-MOA with some fliers over 1 occasionally. Maybe put the TV/Lonestar at just sub-MOA to split the difference? I don't know how you'd turn off cookoff on the RM277 but keep it on the Sigs, though.

The RM277s are also floating a little weirdly from the shoulder compared to the other guns, making them effectively longer than they should be.

Edit: I'm missing the FN, too, so maybe the lack of Spear is an issue on my end. I will validate my install and check.

Edit again: Yep, it was the mini Steam mode fouling up the install that caused the red parts and the missing Spear. So, forget that paragraph. I need to remember to go to Big Picture Steam mode when I let Steam go online.

Can't tell you why I had that in there for the 993 but I probably pasted it over from my editor on a large copy paste function for the reply I had. Didn't mean to as it wasn't relevant.

I'll point your reply out to the model guys to see if they noticed a bug on their end for the missing weapons/textures.

Originally posted by Reticuli:

Yes, the Sig 6.8mm mil round is very high pressure to make up for the 13-inch barrel.

Yes Sig's 6.8x51 is a significantly higher pressure but the short barrel on the civilian MCX Spear. I've got some really good information that says the length of the XM5 barrel (not MCX Spear civilian barrel) is 15.3". The SAAMI spec test barrel for both the Sig and the True Velocity 6.8x51 military rounds was a 16" barrel.

Originally posted by Reticuli:

I see you've just updated the Sig 6.8 ammo to ACE compatibility. This is good. The Textron and Lonestar/TV NGSW 6.8 ammo still shows no muzzle velocity and the original worse BC than the ACE 7.62 NATO rounds. All the NGSW guns used the same US Army proprietary projectile/bullet. The NGSW program started with that bullet, with various different casings, powder, guns, etc, to send it down range.

I'd have to dig into it but I don't think the BC that is entered into ACE3 for some of the 7.62x51 rounds is correct; some of them look way out of line with what is actually published. The actual G1 BC for a Federal FMJ BT 150gr projectile with a muzzle velocity of 2820 from a 24" barrel is .408. Keep in mind that the higher the BC number the better the projectile is at keeping velocity, energy and resisting wind drift. There are some military marksman 7.62x51 projectiles with a known G1 BC of .495 but that is the M118LR round and it's a hot one. So I don't know why those rounds in ACE showing a smaller BC number would be performing better than a round with a higher BC number like the Sig 6.8x51 with a G1 BC of .488 for 135gr and .591 for a 150gr projectile.

As for the TV and Textron ammo; well TV is a little tight lipped about their ammunition specs. We have the True Velocity ammo listed in our database based on some calculations I did dealing with velocity, projectile length and weight. They might be wrong but it was literally asking for information that isn't going to be released. As for the Textron ammo...good luck finding out anything about it; Textron has ZERO information floating around about the ammo that I have seen in the 5+ years I have been following the NGSW program. I could do some similar guestimation like I did for the True Velocity ammo but it would most likely be WAY OFF.

Ultimately it might be best to convert all of them to the same as the Sig Sauer ammo but dial down some performance specs just a touch...not something I really want to do personally as I don't like that.

Originally posted by Reticuli:

Both the Sig and the RM277 sent their bullets downrange beyond the program requirements at muzzle velocities exceeding 3000fps for their respective 13-inch and 20-inch barrels.

Sig yes but no the True Velocity/Beretta/General Dynamics weapon. It was never configured with a barrel length shorter than 19" for the infantry weapon. The replacement for the SAW was a longer barrel but was around 24" long. They could not get the required foot per second out of a barrel shorter than 19". The SAAMI testing and approval showed a significantly lower fps due to using a 16" barrel.

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Public-Introduction-6.8-TVC-2022-01-28.pdf

Your models are fine. It was a glitch on my end. You already know your 8" Sig and the Textrons are missing suppressors, and suppressors that are there aren't removable. Probably the only thing that's news to you is the RM277 floating from the shoulder a bit compared to the other guns, giving the impression it's longer than it is.

The SAAMI stuff is for the civilian rounds the companies are pushing, not the US Army rounds.

You can simply use the same BC spec on all your 6.8mm bullets that your Sig 6.8mm currently has, since that's not where the differences are. It's the same proprietary USG bullet on all the NGSW contenders. The exact muzzle velocity for each round at a given barrel length is a little harder to judge, as the gun manufacturers and the US Army both gave conflicting information. We only know that Sig, TV/Lonestar, and the US Army all claimed the XM5 and the RM277 met or exceeded the program requirements. Sig does it with way more pressure on their US Army round, while TV does it with low pressure and better thermodynamics, and out of different length barrels.
US Army originally said it was for 15" and 19" barrels, respectively. Then that changed. Then the manufactures said something else. Then again. There's also the fact the final use case is supposed to always be with a suppressor, so that changes things a bit with slight increases of effective useable barrel length, too. I don't have any issue with your current choice of Sig muzzle velocities in ACE with your current 6.8mm Sig round.

I don't believe I ever said the ACE 7.62 NATO rounds were outperforming your new 6.8mm Sig ACE compatible rounds.

It actually doesn't so much matter whether ACE's own 7.62 NATO rounds' specs are perfect or not in regard to this conversation, rather in your bundle only the Sig 6.8mm rounds seem to currently have ACE compatibility at all. That's still the case after I did a validity check on my install and the textures, 13" Spear, and FN returned to my install. So, for users of ACE and your bundle, for the Textron and TV/Lonestar guns, they can use something like the ACE M993 in the meantime. It might be inferior BC to the US Army's 6.8mm bullet (and your updated Sig round), but at least it's modeled as a fast AP round. There's also the SCAR H with (admittedly sci-fi) SLAP option in the KA Weapons pack, but now that your Spear has shorter versions and good 6.8mm rounds, that's no longer necessary to get NGSW-like guns in ACE.