Originally posted by v stands for dyslexia:

Hey I've had some ideas for tainted eve that other tainted eve enjoyers might wanna code:

Using sumptorium is infuriating when succing eternal clots, as if you have more than 1, you instantly get a health up. It would be cool if you could have more of them, which could be solved by making sumptorium only suck one eternal clot per use.

Every time you suck a rotten clot, 2 red clots are sucked before, making each use of sumptorium get rid of 2 red clots for every rotten clot. This is bs and should be removed, or at least idk spawn some blue flies for every red clot lost and by giving rotten clots poison tears to make them worth it.

Soul clots are boring and could benefit from spectral tears.

Every time you want clots to stand still sumptorium swaps to the card slot, so when you instinctively use it you waste a card. This bs could be avoided by making the items swap only when swap is clicked fast or if you use swap when still.

Originally posted by FaboFabo:

I hope someone release a mod to make sumptorium create clots when tap and succing clots when holding. Or the inverse. My biggest problem with eve is to constantly needs to tap to shoot tears instead of holding the directionals. Sometimes I simple forget to tap and lose a run because losed all my health creating clots and died in 1 hit.

Yeah, all characters with sumptorium would have the ability to succ clots. For tainted Eve I personally would like a rework in hers's Sumptorium knife mode that nobody uses. Maybe activating when 1 hp or less like her ♥♥♥♥♥ of Babylon even when have clots alive. Idk.

mayvbe having using sumptorium be a different button? its a little annyoing when you accidentaly use the card or pill you were holding instead of it

Originally posted by Scrumpyknight:

if anything i would love to see a t.eve mod that makes clots die if they haven't been recycled in, say, 60 seconds or so. some sort of timer high enough to not be a major handicap, but low enough to provide an actual LIMIT to your snowballing so that the game doesn't become tediously easy. maybe even allow birthright to raise the timer, just for fun? hell, if you wanna get really crazy, why not give different clots different max lifetimes? you could make rotten clots last indefinitely so they aren't completely pointless, too.

imo birthright should let T. Eve generate temporary hearts on kills instead of on clot deaths, maybe that could be implemented. Hell, if it's possible, make it so it can drop other types of hearts as temporary pickups

Id love a mod to make t. Eve bleed out clots faster, maybe in uncleared rooms, as emptying yourself to shove a few extra hearts down your gullet is a pain with how slow it is.

Faster clot creation would be amazing, maybe about one second to create a clot, and something to make Bloody Babylon more useful than what it is, though I'm not sure what could be done for that

What if her birthright affects ALL of her clots, not just red ones, as an additional thought

Make her clots more durable, i've seen people complaining about it (I haven't unlocked her myself though), so it'd be pretty useful.

Scrap the clots and make her forever cursed but with a massive nerf
this would also change regular tainted eve's birthright

I think that if you did this, maybe just lower the clot’s hp so that they can’t take 15 whole hits just to die (only for the red ones too, just imagine the soul ones)

idk if you're still thinking about it, but i've had this idea for a sumptorium/t. eve rework where the clots no longer decay, but instead when you make one, the clot takes the place of whatever kind of heart that was, preventing you from having another heart in that slot unless you absorb them back up, or until that clot dies. sumptorium would also be infinite use like bag of crafting, where using it creates a clot, and holding the button down absorbs them back up. and the clots would receive invincibility when you do, much like wisps. birthright could be the ability to choose what heart type you use it on.

i can't imagine this being easy to make; might not even be possible with current modding tools (maybe repentagon, i don't really know anything about that tho), but it's just an idea i've had for a long time.

Hi Cybre - first, THANK YOU for the Inseparable Clots mod! I'm working my way towards infinity percent, but T. Eve was sitting untouched in my second and third save files because I couldn't bring myself to commit to the grind. This little modification has made a world of difference. Thanks!

I've been toying with ideas for your suggested rework while playing the character again, and I have some thoughts:

1. Stop clots from taking damage, but also change it so they don't block projectiles or otherwise interact with enemies. This would prevent your clots just getting wiped out on certain bosses or in awkward rooms, and would also prevent Eve from becoming near-invincible with a large enough clump of clots.

2. Instead of degrading over time, clots could degrade after each room clear. This means the player can explore at their own speed and still get a known amount of use out of each clot. Each time they degrade, their damage output is reduced by some amount; when it reduces to 0%, the clot perishes. Additionally, after a certain number of rooms (say, three), a clot loses any special tear effects (both its own and inherited from Eve).

3. Trickier to program, but maybe clots only start degrading when there is no slot in the health bar that they could go into on use of Sumptorium (once a clot has started degrading, it doesn't stop even if the slot in the health bar gets emptied again).

4. I saw the discussion on the Inseparable Clots mod about losing the ability to drag clots through enemies when you recall them. So how about instead, any clots that can't be re-absorbed burst, causing some AoE damage? Maybe also a bit of creep splashed on the ground?

5. I also find that the clots aren't particularly necessary as you get more powerful, so maybe some DPS scaling to keep them relevant later in a run would be good as well.

Anyway, even if you aren't working on this anymore, the Inseparable Clots mod is enough to make this character enjoyable for me now, so thanks again!

You’re welcome, thanks for the good suggestions and the positive feedback! I haven't started making the rework yet, but I've been thinking of picking up Isaac again, so feel free to follow me on the Steam Workshop to stay up to date.

Not sure if you're still working on this or not, but if you are, one thing I'd like to see is the creation of clots no longer being tied to firing tears, at all. There's a lot of times when I'm playing Tainted Eve where I either want to keep my health for safety reasons (like being on Womb or a floor past it with low health) or I'm in a situation where spawning more clots would just get them killed extremely fast (like being in a bullet hell boss like Hush or Mega Satan), but the only way to stop myself from constantly making clots is to stop firing over and over, and it is EXTREMELY annoying. The fact T. Eve starts with a really low fire rate is an extra kick in the nuts, since you can only fire 3 tears before you create a clot with her base fire rate (And it also make charge attacks like Brimstone irritating to use). I would just like to focus on fighting enemies without having to constantly stop firing before the bar fills up.

You could just make Sumptorium work like how it does for every character that isn't Tainted Eve, since you create a clot simply by using Sumptorium, but I guess that would cause T. Eve to lose some uniqueness, which some people wouldn't like and I can understand that. I can't think of a more creative way to change it, but I'd be happy with any way it's changed as long as it is no longer tied to firing.