Hi, Imrik doesn't really have a rivalry with any other lord but like Tyrion and Teclis he protects Ulthuan (and the rest of the world) from darkness and his campaign starts between Snikch, Grimgor and Malus DarkBlade. I think it would be cool to give it a trait against those lords and/or those races.

Did you consider bad defeat trait for killing a LL your lord have canon friendship with? Such as tyrion and teclis killing each other? malakith and morathi? Orion and the sisters of twilight?
You can also earn a trait for defeating many time one faction, what if this trait was bad if you earn this trait again the race of your on faction? would ulthuan welcome someone famous for eterminating many HE? Would the empire accept an emperor that slaughter mens?

Originally posted by ludovic.meyriat:

Did you consider bad defeat trait for killing a LL your lord have canon friendship with? Such as tyrion and teclis killing each other? malakith and morathi? Orion and the sisters of twilight?
You can also earn a trait for defeating many time one faction, what if this trait was bad if you earn this trait again the race of your on faction? would ulthuan welcome someone famous for eterminating many HE? Would the empire accept an emperor that slaughter mens?

I didn't think to add in negative traits that are similar to the rare trait that Bretonnian lords can get for defeating Louen though since that trait did still have positive effects (weapon strength bonus) I'll have to come up with some positive bonuses to go along with the negatives. Let's see, traits for Tyrion and Teclis betraying each other are good ones, they'd be inverses of each other where Teclis deals with increased upkeep cost and decreased unit recruit rank while Tyrion heavily nerfs the abilities of any mage he has. I don't think there would be a trait for Orion and The Sisters of Twilight fighting each other but if Ariel was a Legendary Lord I would put negative traits for when Ariel and Orion fight. However, I will add in a negative trait for Durthu fighting wood elf factions that aren't the Wargrove of Woe where he will suffer diplomatic penalties with non-Wargrove wood elves, gain a diplomatic bonus with the Wargrove and apply the Glamour passive to elf units. With Malekith and Morathi, I think I won't give Malekith a trait for defeating Morathi but I will give Morathi one. While their relationship is unhealthy, Morathi still adores her son while Malekith has far more conflicting feelings.

A High Elf lord who fights other High Elf Lords should get a negative trait which would be a major diplomatic and upkeep malais but a 30% Missile and Magic Resistance to go with it. I don't think the Empire would get a negative trait for fighting other Empire factions since civil wars are a notable part of their history. However, I do think it's reasonable to give diplomatic penalties for fighting Kislev or the Dwarfs frequently. Negative diplomatic traits for killing a certain subculture should only be in the case where the two subcultures have diplomatic bonuses that make wars unlikely. Giving the Lizardmen negative traits for infighting is also a good idea. I think I would have to make the broken friendships mod a separate one from this one and it would have to recommend that the player use the mod alongside mods that change the Great Power system and remove anti-player bias.

Let me know if you come up with anything else.

malus should get a trait for beating chaos multiple times. grimgor for beating...everything, maybe a trait if he beat all races once XD (if possible) Imrik maybe a special trait if he beats all his dragon hunts? sounds good in my head at least xd and lastly maybe a trait for Luthor and lokhir (something related about who is the true pirate of lustria)

A trait for Kroq-Gar would be thematically appropriate. I also think there may be a possibility for rivalry between Boris and Karl, stemming from the former's bitterness towards the latter after being elected emperor. And perhaps a trait between Arkhan and Vlad? In life, Arkhan controlled Vlad through the ring he wore until he was slain. It would be cool if Arkhan were to somehow take Vlad into his faction after beating him, but that's probably ambitious coding right there. Love the idea for the mod, can't wait to try it and see it in action.

Edit: On Kroq-Gar, I forgot to clarify trait for defeating Chaos several times.

I'm thinking of making it that gaining a unique trait where a specific lord defeats another specific lord require two victories instead of 1 so that a specific lord must gain the vanilla defeat trait first and then can get a better trait. What do people think of that?

Hi , Folkmar vs Helman - his item quest reveal that gelman wanted to steal his artifacts.
Alith Anar vs Crone Helebron and Malekith,Hellebron killed his friend who pretended to be him and sacrificed his life,for her she did not finish her job.before Malekith betrayed them Alith swore allegiance to him,after betray he tool oath of vengeance for his family and every Naggaryty who died of betrayal.
Malekith vs Teclis, who's the best elf mage
Rakart vs Lockhir who's the boss of Karond Kar
Malus vs Snikch
Tehenhauin vs Skrolk purge the Lustria
Markus vs Nakai,Taurox (Great hunter?)
Grimgor vs Skarsnik foolish gobbo
Grimgor vs Wurzzag defiler Gork(or Mork?)
Grimgor vs Kholek
Wulfrik vs Thorgrim,Luan L,Karl F, Malekith - King slayer of if he lose he gain negative trait
Orion vs Beastmen,Morgur
Wood elf vs Morgur cleansing groove , groove destroyer
Luan vs Archaon,Wulfric,Kholec,Sigvald Champion of the Lady
Karl Franz vs Archaon - Avatar of sigmar , destroyer of the humanity

Originally posted by Autumnchain:

I'm thinking of making it that gaining a unique trait where a specific lord defeats another specific lord require two victories instead of 1 so that a specific lord must gain the vanilla defeat trait first and then can get a better trait. What do people think of that?

i think its not good idea , cause if they are early enemy they will destroyed fast, only major factions can be survived long enough.And sharing every faction it seems like a lot of work.