Europa Universalis IV

Europa Universalis IV

SuperStates Mod
KeoniPhoenix  [developer] 10 Jul, 2016 @ 12:34am
Suggestions for Alternate History Scenarios taken from Books, Television, and other creative media...
I'd like to have more flavor events that are inspired by alternate history and what-ifs borrowed from other sources of creative media, such as books, television and other sources.

This can include such topics as different outcomes various wars and conflicts, such as the commonly troped South Winning the American Civil War as well as a hypothetical war over Canada or Mexico under an Empire actually succeeding and rivaling the United States in the 19th Century for influence on the continent.

The problem I see though is that there's too much that relies on formed nations like Canada and Mexico, and I don't want to deliberately put all of the focus on all of those scenarios but want to include What-Ifs at the intra- and inter-state levels as well, something that isn't as commonly done compared to say the international events.

I'm always open to new suggestions and would love to borrow many of the concepts I've already discovered online. I particularly like the Alternate History wikia, I've even borrowed some flag designs from there, however its mostly focused on detailing world alternate history.
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KeoniPhoenix  [developer] 10 Jul, 2016 @ 1:18am 
Your submissions will be organized in a list here by type of media (I've already included some sources I like to borrow ideas from):

Books:
  • The Difference Engine
  • Southern Victory

Television/Movies:
  • C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America
  • H2O:The Last Prime Minister and The Trojan Horse
  • Quantum Leap

Other Video Games:
  • Shattered Union

Internet Sourced:
  • Alternate History on wikia

Other Sources:
Last edited by KeoniPhoenix; 22 Aug, 2016 @ 2:01pm
acam12 10 Jul, 2016 @ 10:29am 
Here's a list of ideas i've had, disclaimer they arent based on any other works:

A resurgent Lousiana could have 3-4 missions to reclaim portions of the lousiana purchase with great bonuses if they suceed.

Georgia could have missions to recover its lost land from Miss and AL

Any nation could have an event chain to change their gov into an abolute monarcy, constitutional monarcy, or dictatorship

Southern states could have an event chain where tobacco and cotton are no longer profitable due to soil exhaustion and be given the choice of making slaves their primary good or freeing the slaves and industrializing into cloths or iron(I know this could be a little controversial, but still think it would be a good idea)

You could also offer missions for states to encourage them to form their regional powers and then over missions for those regional powers to conquer areas outside of the usa, ie CSA to conquer cuba, mexican states, and northern South America.

You could also try introducing event chains for different religions and missions for morman states to reconquer areas where mormans were exiled from in the east with the rewards being free conversions, increased conversion strength, and/or increases to dev.

Glad the mods back btw I was really worried when you hid it, gl with RL man.
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Donavan Ty 10 Jul, 2016 @ 10:17pm 
There could be some events and missions for the Pacific Northwest to unite and defend itself from California. Missions for Claifornia to make a Californian America spreading its culutre. You could also add desicsions for states to either be a slave state, free state, or neurtral/middle ground state, and have it represented easily so you could tell what states are. And that should effect relationships and give modifieres and bonuses depending on either side. Staying on the middle ground could have no modifers or bonuses but not damage relations or boost relations.
bengalsix 13 Jul, 2016 @ 5:30pm 
Maybe you could incorporate some ideas from Joel Garreau's book "The Nine Nations of North America" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America). It sounds like a good idea for a starting bookmark, or the 9 nations themselves could be used as formable nations.
KeoniPhoenix  [developer] 13 Jul, 2016 @ 5:42pm 
Originally posted by bengalsix:
Maybe you could incorporate some ideas from Joel Garreau's book "The Nine Nations of North America" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America). It sounds like a good idea for a starting bookmark, or the 9 nations themselves could be used as formable nations.
I've been wanting a copy of that book to read. Great idea, thanks for the suggestions.
KeoniPhoenix  [developer] 16 Jul, 2016 @ 6:40pm 
Originally posted by acam12:
Here's a list of ideas i've had, disclaimer they arent based on any other works:

A resurgent Lousiana could have 3-4 missions to reclaim portions of the lousiana purchase with great bonuses if they suceed.

Georgia could have missions to recover its lost land from Miss and AL

Any nation could have an event chain to change their gov into an abolute monarcy, constitutional monarcy, or dictatorship

Southern states could have an event chain where tobacco and cotton are no longer profitable due to soil exhaustion and be given the choice of making slaves their primary good or freeing the slaves and industrializing into cloths or iron(I know this could be a little controversial, but still think it would be a good idea)

You could also offer missions for states to encourage them to form their regional powers and then over missions for those regional powers to conquer areas outside of the usa, ie CSA to conquer cuba, mexican states, and northern South America.

You could also try introducing event chains for different religions and missions for morman states to reconquer areas where mormans were exiled from in the east with the rewards being free conversions, increased conversion strength, and/or increases to dev.

Glad the mods back btw I was really worried when you hid it, gl with RL man.
I was working up to these kinds of missions, originally I planned to have a mission set for the states in the Northwest Territory to allow them to expand there. They'd originally start with a mission to reclaim the nearby portions and then as they gradually get larger they get missions to conquer more. The states part of this mission set would be Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

Louisiana Territory states should get a similar mission set, same with the territory that Georgia claimed until 1802 often referred to as the Yazoo lands.

Its just hard to do all this right now because other parts of the mod take up time and effort.

As for the tobacco and cotton events you suggest, I perfer not to get entagled in that political bomb, it is tempting considering the history but I consider it too controversial. In the past I debated actually removing slaves as a trade good.

With the coming religion realignment, I'm not going to have just Mormonism left, it'll be interesting but I plan on figuring out events for the Mormons in places they weren't welcome and also giving Utah/Deseret missions to conquer their way back to Upstate New York where it all started with the Golden Plates of Moroni. I'll have to do more researching of Joseph Smith and the history of the early Mormon Church to draft up ideas for events and missions.
KeoniPhoenix  [developer] 16 Jul, 2016 @ 6:54pm 
Originally posted by Donavan Ty:
There could be some events and missions for the Pacific Northwest to unite and defend itself from California. Missions for Claifornia to make a Californian America spreading its culutre. You could also add desicsions for states to either be a slave state, free state, or neurtral/middle ground state, and have it represented easily so you could tell what states are. And that should effect relationships and give modifieres and bonuses depending on either side. Staying on the middle ground could have no modifers or bonuses but not damage relations or boost relations.
Well I believe I should do a mission set for the Columbia district to be consolidated into either Columbia or Pacifica. The Columbia District (as its known in Canada)/Oregon Country (as its known in the US) historically was a condominium[en.wikipedia.org] between the United Kingdom and the United States and missions and events can be created to help stablize this region under one set of laws and be put into a position to challenge California.

The slave state issue is something I want to avoid getting entangled in because its a very controversial subject. Especially now with all the social strife going on. Though this could all change, I just tend to shy away from it because I don't want that controversy right now.
Osariik 24 Jul, 2016 @ 2:02am 
1. Texas is owned by a major European or Asian power.

2. The Axis powers win WW2, leaving the American and Canadian easts and the Australian South and all of Britain, Denmark, and Norway under Nazi control, plus huge sections of Europe, Africa is Italian, and the American and Canadian wests, most of east Asia, and the Australian north are Japanese. The central parts of the US and Canada, plus all of Mexico, Iceland and New Zealand, are all free, but are all the separate states/provinces. You have to try to either completely conquer them as an Axis power or take back all of the Allied lands as an Ally. You could also play as a neutral power, such as Sweden or Switzerland, or you could defect and be a traitor to your alliance.

3. Every state and country has a different religion, made-up or not, and they have to try and spread it and destroy others, therefore resulting in major religious wars, possibly leading to nations making one another convert and recruiting, making the wars bigger and more complex.

4. North America is split into 5 countries--Western Canamerica, Midwest, The East, North Mexico, and South Mexico. Australia is split into Western Australia and the Tasman Coasts. Europe is in Scandinavia, the West Coast, the Commueast (Russia and surrounds), the Center, and the Mediterranean Northern Surrounds. Africa is divided into Sahara, Sub-Sahara, and South. Asia is in Eastern Bounds, North China, Chinadonesia (south China and South-East Asia), Himalayan to-the-South (India and Pakistan and such), and West Asia.

5. Certain American states and some nations across the world are controlled by an evil corporation known only as Amazon.com.

6. The Helvetica Scenario (cue screams)
Last edited by Osariik; 24 Jul, 2016 @ 7:16pm
KeoniPhoenix  [developer] 24 Jul, 2016 @ 6:01pm 
Originally posted by yosemitehalfdome:
1. Texas is owned by a major European or Asian power.

2. The Axis powers win WW2, leaving the American and Canadian easts and the Australian South and all of Britain, Denmark, and Norway under Nazi control, plus huge sections of Europe, Africa is Italian, and the American and Canadian wests, most of east Asia, and the Australian north are Japanese. The central parts of the US and Canada, plus all of Mexico, Iceland and New Zealand, are all free, but are all the separate states/provinces. You have to try to either completely conquer them as an Axis power or take back all of the Allied lands as an Ally. You could also play as a neutral power, such as Sweden or Switzerland, or you could defect and be a traitor to your alliance.

3. Every state and country has a different religion, made-up or not, and they have to try and spread it and destroy others, therefore resulting in major religious wars, possibly leading to nations making one another convert and recruiting, making the wars bigger and more complex.

4. North America is split into 5 countries--Western Canamerica, Midwest, The East, North Mexico, and South Mexico. Australia is split into Western Australia and the Tasman Coasts. Europe is in Scandinavia, the West Coast, the Commueast (Russia and surrounds), the Center, and the Mediterranean Northern Surrounds. Africa is divided into Sahara, Sub-Sahara, and South. Asia is in Eastern Bounds, North China, Chinadonesia (south China and South-East Asia), Himalayan to-the-South (India and Pakistan and such), and West Asia.

5. Certain American states and some nations across the world are controlled by an evil corporation known only as Amazon.com.
Most of those look better suited for the eventual HoI4 SuperStates Mod. Lots of ideas though. I'll be honest though its probably too much work right now so I don't know when would even implement any of this.
Osariik 24 Jul, 2016 @ 7:15pm 
Originally posted by KeoniPhoenix:
Originally posted by yosemitehalfdome:
1. Texas is owned by a major European or Asian power.

2. The Axis powers win WW2, leaving the American and Canadian easts and the Australian South and all of Britain, Denmark, and Norway under Nazi control, plus huge sections of Europe, Africa is Italian, and the American and Canadian wests, most of east Asia, and the Australian north are Japanese. The central parts of the US and Canada, plus all of Mexico, Iceland and New Zealand, are all free, but are all the separate states/provinces. You have to try to either completely conquer them as an Axis power or take back all of the Allied lands as an Ally. You could also play as a neutral power, such as Sweden or Switzerland, or you could defect and be a traitor to your alliance.

3. Every state and country has a different religion, made-up or not, and they have to try and spread it and destroy others, therefore resulting in major religious wars, possibly leading to nations making one another convert and recruiting, making the wars bigger and more complex.

4. North America is split into 5 countries--Western Canamerica, Midwest, The East, North Mexico, and South Mexico. Australia is split into Western Australia and the Tasman Coasts. Europe is in Scandinavia, the West Coast, the Commueast (Russia and surrounds), the Center, and the Mediterranean Northern Surrounds. Africa is divided into Sahara, Sub-Sahara, and South. Asia is in Eastern Bounds, North China, Chinadonesia (south China and South-East Asia), Himalayan to-the-South (India and Pakistan and such), and West Asia.

5. Certain American states and some nations across the world are controlled by an evil corporation known only as Amazon.com.
Most of those look better suited for the eventual HoI4 SuperStates Mod. Lots of ideas though. I'll be honest though its probably too much work right now so I don't know when would even implement any of this.

Good point, especially for 2, but 1 and 3 would work for this. 4 is sort of weird and 5 is a joke.

No one talks about 6. Keep away from the Helvetica Scenario [cue screams] ;)
Last edited by Osariik; 24 Jul, 2016 @ 7:18pm
Piercinald Chase 1 Aug, 2016 @ 1:45am 
This place is very big and scary so please excuse my lack of knowledge but I'd recommend the Man in the High Castle kind of scenario.

http://i.imgur.com/nRn2D7o.png

Also this is pretty stupid but I'd also throw out Loveless Land from Wild Wild West out there. It consists of

1. Loveless Land - (Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nevada, Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska)

2. Mexico (California, Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas)

3. France - (Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa)

4. Spain (Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi)

5. Great Britian (Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Ohio, Kentucky, and Tennessee)

Oh yeah and the Man in the High Castle is a novel (Also Amazon series but the map is from the novel) and Wild Wild West is the greatest motion picture of all time.

Here's Loveless Land's flag http://neethis.deviantart.com/art/Loveless-Alliance-flag-139744570

It's bootiful
Last edited by Piercinald Chase; 1 Aug, 2016 @ 1:55am
I am who I am 8 Sep, 2016 @ 6:05pm 
Granted there's no alternate history here, but Alaska could have a "I can see Russia from my House" mission chain to colonize siberia until they run into Russia
KeoniPhoenix  [developer] 9 Sep, 2016 @ 3:28pm 
Originally posted by ErikMGHernandez:
Granted there's no alternate history here, but Alaska could have a "I can see Russia from my House" mission chain to colonize siberia until they run into Russia
A chain like this already exists. XD
I am who I am 9 Sep, 2016 @ 4:49pm 
Originally posted by KeoniPhoenix:
Originally posted by ErikMGHernandez:
Granted there's no alternate history here, but Alaska could have a "I can see Russia from my House" mission chain to colonize siberia until they run into Russia
A chain like this already exists. XD
Well off I go to play an Alaska game! Can't believe I missed that one
Lonewolf 10 Sep, 2016 @ 8:38pm 
I would like to make a suggestion to make a mod from the TV show "Revolution" It has to do with electricity dissapearing from the world because of these artifically manufactured things that absorb electricty. Anyway The Ubited States gets divieded into 5 Republics: Monroe Republic, Gerogia Federation (which uses steam engines), Republic of Texas, Plains Nation, and the California Republic. (SPOILER ALERT) Note: Mexico is another significant Republic in the show and you could possibly make a event where the "Patriots" come from Guantamano Bay to form the Untied States out of The Georgia Federation and Monroe Republic. If you would like to find a map to base the mod off of you can search "revolution map" on google images, it should be fairly easy. If you would like more information on the show without watching it to help you with the mod you can message me.
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