Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

I thought about this for a while, and I think that "Nazi Regime" Would be more suited for Fanatical Purifiers.

Think about it: In world war 2, Nazi Germany genocided what they defined as "impure" and when you start as a Fanatic Purifier the background story mentions that all other "impure" groups have been wiped out, something that the Nazis sought to do.

Lets say we have a Fanatic-Purifier Human Empire, right? Normally that empire would have an immense hatred of every other empire around them. BUT if you have another human empire spawn, that very fanatic-purifier human empire will not treat the other humans with disgust, but tolerance to some level and/or degree, even allowing diplomacy between the 2. Fanatic Purifiers hate Xenos, but are more tolerant of some other empire run by the same species.

And if the Nazis wanted to cleanse THEIR FELLOW HUMANS (whom they were able to conduct diplomacy, trade, and war with), then what makes them inclined to treat aliens with that same respect? They're more likely to be hellbent on extermination.

Originally posted by Thauma':

Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

I thought about this for a while, and I think that "Nazi Regime" Would be more suited for Fanatical Purifiers.

Think about it: In world war 2, Nazi Germany genocided what they defined as "impure" and when you start as a Fanatic Purifier the background story mentions that all other "impure" groups have been wiped out, something that the Nazis sought to do.

Lets say we have a Fanatic-Purifier Human Empire, right? Normally that empire would have an immense hatred of every other empire around them. BUT if you have another human empire spawn, that very fanatic-purifier human empire will not treat the other humans with disgust, but tolerance to some level and/or degree, even allowing diplomacy between the 2. Fanatic Purifiers hate Xenos, but are more tolerant of some other empire run by the same species.

And if the Nazis wanted to cleanse THEIR FELLOW HUMANS (whom they were able to conduct diplomacy, trade, and war with), then what makes them inclined to treat aliens with that same respect? They're more likely to be hellbent on extermination.

I don't think the name is a good fit, I personally believe that if there was to be such a government, it should be called something else, as Nazi Regime really only works in Human contexts.

Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

Originally posted by Thauma':

I don't think the name is a good fit, I personally believe that if there was to be such a government, it should be called something else, as Nazi Regime really only works in Human contexts.

Agreed, something like “Fascist Regime” or “Ultranationalist Xenophobes” could work

Originally posted by Thauma':

Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

Agreed, something like “Fascist Regime” or “Ultranationalist Xenophobes” could work

I'd say "Fascist Regime" also doesn't fit, especially not in the context of genociding others for their specie or race, mainly because the definition of Fascism tends to be misconstrued as being identical to National Socialism as that of Germany in WW2, but in reality the systems originally were noticably different (Nation vs Race). "Nazi Regime" as it already is in the mod is honestly prefectly fine the way it is, it thematically fits the way Naziism sees race with how it is Ethnocratic and has a Personality Cult. As for "Ultranationalist Xenophobes" the question is, what kind of authority would that be? I believe the terms already present in the game are apt enough, though finding a way to expand the civic to include Hierarchy and Anarchy would be great.

EDIT: added a bit more context to my point

Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

Originally posted by Thauma':

I'd say "Fascist Regime" also doesn't fit, especially not in the context of genociding others for their specie or race, mainly because the definition of Fascism tends to be misconstrued as being identical to National Socialism as that of Germany in WW2, but in reality the systems originally were noticably different (Nation vs Race). "Nazi Regime" as it already is in the mod is honestly prefectly fine the way it is, it thematically fits the way Naziism sees race with how it is Ethnocratic and has a Personality Cult. As for "Ultranationalist Xenophobes" the question is, what kind of authority would that be? I believe the terms already present in the game are apt enough, though finding a way to expand the civic to include Hierarchy and Anarchy would be great.

EDIT: added a bit more context to my point

Ultranationalist Xenophobes would probably be hierarchy because, in my guess, they would view the galaxy as a constant struggle between competitors. Only the strong get to rule, so they organise themselves on who’s the “strongest” on the inside so they can climb up the pyramid and reach to the top first. And once they do, the “weak” will perish. In their minds, they’ve already killed off the weak in their own domain so the next logical step from their homeworld is the galaxy.

Originally posted by Thauma':

Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

Ultranationalist Xenophobes would probably be hierarchy because, in my guess, they would view the galaxy as a constant struggle between competitors. Only the strong get to rule, so they organise themselves on who’s the “strongest” on the inside so they can climb up the pyramid and reach to the top first. And once they do, the “weak” will perish. In their minds, they’ve already killed off the weak in their own domain so the next logical step from their homeworld is the galaxy.

That works, yeah.

I do believe we could get "Fascist Regime" as a non-Ethnocratic (but still xenophobic) version of "Nazi Regime" as it would be a nice detail that differentiates the two. EDIT: As it turns out, there already is a fascist dictatorship that is made the same way as Nazi Regime but without Ethnocracy. Well done, author!

Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

Originally posted by Thauma':

That works, yeah.

I do believe we could get "Fascist Regime" as a non-Ethnocratic (but still xenophobic) version of "Nazi Regime" as it would be a nice detail that differentiates the two. EDIT: As it turns out, there already is a fascist dictatorship that is made the same way as Nazi Regime but without Ethnocracy. Well done, author!

Wait, there is? How do you get it?

Originally posted by Thauma':

Originally posted by The Destroyer of Worlds:

Wait, there is? How do you get it?

Hierarchy -> Aristocracy -> Personality Cult + Imperialism

Originally posted by Thauma':

To add to suggestions, there could be also one more policy in how wealth is distributed, one that is based around free markets, perhaps it could work like libertarianism, increasing happiness or trade value, at the cost of increasing crime, and giving more power to Specialists over both Rulers and Workers.

Originally posted by NoMolester:

Originally posted by Thauma':

To add to suggestions, there could be also one more policy in how wealth is distributed, one that is based around free markets, perhaps it could work like libertarianism, increasing happiness or trade value, at the cost of increasing crime, and giving more power to Specialists over both Rulers and Workers.

I've been thinking about this. You mean to add like an anarchist model to Social Stance that is market individualist, currently there is only an anarchist non-market collectivist one. Will be addressing this on the next update.

Regarding purifiers, added Supremacist Dictatorship as a Fanatic Purifier Ethnocratic Hierarchy government. Nazi Regime remains the same for now, I will be considering what to do with it in the future.