Let’s make the stats like we’re on r/tf2

- on hit: target bleeds for several seconds
- increased base damage
- No backstabs

The Guarded gutter
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Level 35 Trench knife
+25% Increased damage
-15% walk speed on wearer

Backstab does not instant kill

French warfare : On backstab target loses 50% of their hp you are instantly cloaked and gain a speed boost target takes bleed damage for 10 seconds and Target is unable to Be Uber'ed as long As they live. ( Kind of complicated but i think the idea is neat.

+15 percent increased damage
Applies bleed on 3rd hit
Crits apply bleed
Increased swing speed on successful backstab

-20 percent slower swing speed
Apply bleed to yourself on miss
Mini-crit whenever you would normally crit

Originally posted by Geebanger0:

Let’s make the stats like we’re on r/tf2

- on hit: target bleeds for several seconds
- increased base damage
- No backstabs

I like the bleed idea but nobody will use the knife if it cant backstab..

Stat Suggestion:
Pros:
- On kill: Gain the resistance buff for 4 seconds. (Battalion's Backup buff is applied here.)
- On kill: Weapon switch speed is increased by 60% for 1 second.
Cons:
- Weapon switch speed is decreased by 55%. (To the knife and away from it are both decreased in speed.)
- 0.5 second delay before backstab is possible. (The animation takes 0.5 seconds to reach its climax, at which point, you may stab.)

A knife used by those who infiltrate enemy lines and intend to stick around. The buff would allow gun spy players to essentially get a backstab and then commit to firing with any of the revolvers. My only hesitation for these stats is the reduced regular weapon switch speed because I think this makes any possible combos of moving in and out of ranged and melee combat essentially impossible.

stats suggestion
Pros
- on hit 6 sec bleed
- +15% DMG
- +5 health on equip
Cons
- Extra loud scream sound on backstab enemy
- Large blood pool left on ground after enemy backstab
- 15% slower swing speed
- -10% holster speed
Desc
Who decided a blade would be a good on brass knuckles?

75% more damage
on crit: bleed for 35 seconds
backstabs will only mini crit
no bleeding on mini crit

pros
+bleed on hit
+when back stab you gain all of your cloak/gain 3 ammo on revolver/refuel you sapper
cons
- 15% vulnerability to bullets
- 30% less heath on wear

Originally posted by Carl weezer:

French warfare : On backstab target loses 50% of their hp you are instantly cloaked and gain a speed boost target takes bleed damage for 10 seconds and Target is unable to Be Uber'ed as long As they live. ( Kind of complicated but i think the idea is neat.

i love the idea, but adding a speed boost makes the big earner useless if this knife is added. a resistance buff like JojozLord suggested would be much better. also the target being unable to be ubered until they die is slighty op; it could be a temporary debuff.

this would look a lot better scaled down. This is way bigger than the already cartoonishly large big earner.

I'll try.

Pros:

On hit: bleed for 4 seconds
+20% damage resistance on wearer
+15% healing from enemy medic sources

Cons:

-15% healing from friendly medic sources
No bleeding on backstab
Battle-blunted trench knife: On backstab, only drains the victims base health, not including the overheal, which then might make up into victim's base health.
No random critical hits.

pros:
once target is backstabbed, they lose 50 percent max hp

cons:
backstabs dont kill
unable to backstab same target multiple times
-25 cloak duration

I think this could be good for a butterknifing role, but how it would be balanced is a bit tricky, but I think there could be a way for a snowballing weapon different from the kunai and big earner.

Level __ Knife
+ Gain crits on backstab
+ Deals 65 damage
- Loose 25hp on kill

This is a very simple risk-reward weapon, you can either play spy normally or go for chainstabs but with no need for backstabs except for the initial one. Also, I think if these stats are went with, the knife should be called "The Guilty Pleasure" because it's just so fitting.

Originally posted by Roosevelt:

I'll try.

Pros:

On hit: bleed for 4 seconds
+20% damage resistance on wearer
+15% healing from enemy medic sources

Cons:

-15% healing from friendly medic sources
No bleeding on backstab
Battle-blunted trench knife: On backstab, only drains the victims base health, not including the overheal, which then might make up into victim's base health.
No random critical hits.

I like Roosevelt's idea. This makes spy a bit more durable when he is flanking behind the enemy lines, but when he has to run back to his teammates for healing it would take a bit longer to start flanking again. For me it seems like quite balanced and fun playstyle. Also it could be made into a set with The Vieille Fleur.

THIS SHOULD BE ADDED!

The Guarded Gutter
Level 12 Knuckle Shanker
Slot: Melee

+ Alt fire: Punches your opponent in the face to make them turn around
+ 50% more health
+ On Kill: regain 10% cloak
+ On Backstab: regain 100% cloak
- Can't cloak with this knife out
- minicrits when crits

"You are bold one Kinobi"