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Bluhu 1 May, 2023 @ 9:09am
Halloween restriction.
It's such an adorable cosmetic. And it goes for simplicity too, rather then replacing the head of the pyro with a giant bee's head. But it still feels out of place for tf2, or just a bit odd, so I feel like it would be better if it was halloween restricted. That way it wouldn't be that much of an issue, and players who play on community maps could always wear this, so this way, everyone could be happy.
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pinkus 12 May, 2023 @ 3:07pm 
arachno-arsonist moment
mothbrained 25 May, 2023 @ 3:18pm 
i disagree. there are items already wildly out of place that arent halloween restricted (potassium bonnet, eye-see-you, ect), and id rather not have a scenario (like with the squid's lid) where a regularly tame and good looking cosmetic is restricted. plus, community servers are wildly different experience from casual tf2. even uncletopia is a sweatfest compared to casual matchmaking, people would barely get usage out of it if it was locked to 1 month of the year and crazy community servers
Bluhu 26 May, 2023 @ 1:43pm 
Originally posted by mothbrained:
i disagree. there are items already wildly out of place that arent halloween restricted (potassium bonnet, eye-see-you, ect), and id rather not have a scenario (like with the squid's lid) where a regularly tame and good looking cosmetic is restricted. plus, community servers are wildly different experience from casual tf2. even uncletopia is a sweatfest compared to casual matchmaking, people would barely get usage out of it if it was locked to 1 month of the year and crazy community servers


While I perfectly respect wanting it in the game at all times, I can't really agree with the "stuff like this is already a thing in the game so why even bother" argument. The potassium bonnet is one of those things that should have never got into the game. But if it's already in, why do I care? Tf2 has been recieving more quality items recently, not to mention the "event size update" which I still find exciting. So in my opinion, we should still at least try to push for more quality itmes despite how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the previous years were in terms of quality and what it allowed into tf2.


But on the flip side, you also made me reconsider. I kinda feel like that it might just be around that perfect boundry. And to be fair, I wouldn't mind seeing this in game at all, or in a normal casual match. And as said before, it's simple enough, and I like that, it feels like something the pyro could actually wear and it fits into the cutesy nature of pyro that even the original hats touch on.

But I will still take it into consideration of a haloween restriction, I just really want to see what others have to say about it. I have made similar discussions like this and sometimes I was plesantly surprised! So if the answer is an overwhelming no, then, that could still make my day, this is a discussion after all.
Undercover 1 Jun, 2023 @ 10:28pm 
this is very tame compare to the stuff valve has added in recent
Bluhu 2 Jun, 2023 @ 5:07am 
Originally posted by Undercover:
this is very tame compare to the stuff valve has added in recent

I mean yeah, that's true.
Binkle 4 Jun, 2023 @ 10:18am 
dont you dare
Bluhu 4 Jun, 2023 @ 12:11pm 
Originally posted by Binkle:
dont you dare

Okay! Okay!
Fish-Flacks-101 5 Jun, 2023 @ 5:58pm 
Would love this, but I agree that it should have a Halloween restriction. And no the argument "X is already in the game so Y is okay" is not valid by any means.
Shiver  [developer] 6 Jun, 2023 @ 4:10pm 
Honestly, that spider head really fuddles my mind when it comes to what's considered an acceptable Pyro head for what season, 's not even like spiders are seen as an icon of Summer

Anyhow uh, I just kinda reckon this might be too cutesy for Halloween, not that I'm opposed to pushing for that season too
Bluhu 7 Jun, 2023 @ 9:43am 
Originally posted by Shiver:
Honestly, that spider head really fuddles my mind when it comes to what's considered an acceptable Pyro head for what season, 's not even like spiders are seen as an icon of Summer

Anyhow uh, I just kinda reckon this might be too cutesy for Halloween, not that I'm opposed to pushing for that season too


Yeah, I can fully understand that. Honestly, this discussion got so two sided with equally good points that I would just honestly let it play out the way as it is.

About the spider head, I even forgot about it somehow, but that is mainly something that the developers ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, like how they did with most seasonale cases, especially sismass.

But if you ask me, I could even let this one slide, because yeah it is very tame compared to what can be used without any restrictions.

It's such a grey wall, on one side, it should be halloween restricted. It's a cutesy animal costume piece for the pyro, nothing offensive, nor ground breaking, which sort of reminds me of the earlier state of tf2. And on the positive note, it perfectly captures one of the sides that the pyro's cosmetics try to explore. This one fits into the cutesy, innocent nature of the pyro that perfectly fits with the pyroland asthetic. The opposite theme is the grim, more realistic side of pyro which perfectly fits with what he is actaually doing. The cosmetics sometimes play with gender too, often potraying him as a male or a female character but not in a way that is overly in your face nor clear, or overly representative. And the rest, other then the ones presenting the pyro with different themes, are a parody of what the pyro is doing, or the parody of pyro's nature.

Or at least that was the earlier state of pyro's cosmetics, sort of (because we still have those, but then there is a ♥♥♥♥ ton of different things thrown in there too). When it comes to halloween, things that turn pyro into a monster, an elderitch horror, or anything else is fine as it plays with the idea of pyro's identity. The idea that nobody knows what lies underneath that mask, it perfectly fits into a halloween theme without actually spoiling who the pyro really is. What if it's actually a robot? An alien? Or a monster? Or basically just anything. But then we still have some more outlandish cutesy halloween cosmetics.

So overall, this cosmetic actually plays more into the ordinery side if we look at it closely. But at the same time, people dress up as anything really when it comes to halloween, so it would also make sense why this would be on pyro on halloween night.

On the flip side of the argument we have the majority who despite this being a tiny bit further away from the art style (although, many comments have started to convince me that I might be a bit overly critical and I might just start to disagre with myself), it is perfectly tame compared to what we already have in the game that don't have a halloween restriction. These being items like the spider head for the pyro, which is a good thing that your brought it up. I usually don't really like the argument "well it already exists and accepted in the game, so therefore it's fine" but I actually think that this might actually apply here. This argument is usually ♥♥♥♥♥♥ because it's meant to justfy thingy like "the very ♥♥♥♥♥♥ banana hat", but on this occasion, this is very tame compared to something we already have in game, and besides the simplicity, I actually feel like that this could be something that pyro would wear, or even could make himself. Pyro's main flamethrower implies that he might have made it himself (but as a fair point, we know that MANN. CO. is the one giving the mercenaries all their weapons, gear, and especially cosmetics, some of those weapons seemingly being scrapped together, impliying that mann co was going for something cheap to sell for the mercs).

So in conclusion: In more traditional tf2 cosmetic standards, this would be a halloween item.

But seeing what the current state of tf2 cosmetics is I might be a bit too judgemental. It doesn't really violate any outlines, team recognition or anything like that, it fits with the character and the themes that character can represent, it feels believeable, and it is a simple, nice, well made cosmetic for the pyro. And most importantly, even if it gets added without a halloween restriction, it doesn't or just barely aches through that fine line of feeling too out of place (Except the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ banana hat).

So, I actually changed my mind and I will let my bias win, I would love to see this in tf2, but because none of of these groups are outright wrong, I will keep the discussion as it is because it's not only my opinion that matters.

So for now, don't change anything.
Indever  [developer] 8 Jun, 2023 @ 9:46am 
I haven’t looked at this item in a while but wow I did not expect this much conversation on it. That’s very cool to see :)
Bluhu 8 Jun, 2023 @ 9:59am 
Originally posted by Indever:
I haven’t looked at this item in a while but wow I did not expect this much conversation on it. That’s very cool to see :)

:)))))))
Shiver  [developer] 9 Jun, 2023 @ 10:31am 
oh thank god i'm not the only one yapping
Fish-Flacks-101 13 Jun, 2023 @ 7:44pm 
Originally posted by mothbrained:
i disagree. there are items already wildly out of place that arent halloween restricted (potassium bonnet, eye-see-you, ect), and id rather not have a scenario (like with the squid's lid) where a regularly tame and good looking cosmetic is restricted. plus, community servers are wildly different experience from casual tf2. even uncletopia is a sweatfest compared to casual matchmaking, people would barely get usage out of it if it was locked to 1 month of the year and crazy community servers
That is true, but none the less the restriction exists for a reason. Why do some have such bad reactions to something needing a Halloween restriction? This cosmetic I would say is simular enough to the bird heads so makes sense to me
Fish-Flacks-101 13 Jun, 2023 @ 7:45pm 
btw to whoever is giving out jester's Lmao
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