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Enclave Reborn Redux
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ThatOneBloke 19 May @ 9:49pm
'Rebuild Infrastructure' decision + other feedback
Album of screenshots with feedback in descriptions [imgur.com]

Image 1: Rebuild Infrastructure [imgur.com]
As it stands right now, the 'rebuild infrastructure' decision is too strong. By the time you have reason to use it (i.e. after coming clean about the Enclave's past), you've likely undone most if not all of the initial economy maluses you get post-NCR collapse (not to mention any additional factories from territory you might have conquered/puppeted prior to the big war), making it a free legitimacy button in all but name. Personally, I'd recommend setting a cap on the amount of legitimacy you can gain from this decision - probably in the 20-30% range, maybe a bit more if you also axe the infrastructure build speed buff.

Image 2: Misplaced supply hub [imgur.com]
This supply depot in the starting state has no road connection - either shift it one tile to the right so it's on top of that intersection, or create a road connection so it's hooked up to the network.

Image 3: Early cap gain oversight [imgur.com]
You get this popup pretty early on while caps are still disabled. Not a huge loss, but I still think this could be fixed by remembering any money you gain prior to getting the New Reno trade node and adding them back once the caps system is reenabled, or something along those lines.

Image 4: Nation opinion and puppets [imgur.com]
No reason for us to hate every other country on the map after accepting wastelanders. At most, maybe a -10/-20 'wayward americans' malus that goes away if they're puppeted. For that matter, the 'genocidal maniacs' opinion probably shouldn't kick in until the Enclave has well and truly revealed itself to the world.

Image 5: Legion-controlled Mojave [imgur.com]
As one final bit of feedback, if the NCR loses the first War for Hoover Dam, I think it'd be neat if there was a possibility for a limited war allowing you to retake the Mojave and the Dam, without having to commit to a full war with the Legion right after taking over California - fully controlling all states in the region for a certain period of time leads to a white peace and state transfer to you (that's what I'll be trying to emulate in my own game).

Image 6: Erroneous justification [imgur.com]
Not sure why Caesar started justifying on me the second I started the war with the NCR, thus losing the 'hiding in plain sight' spirit that prevents justifications on me - probably an unintended oversight, since I annexed the Sky Reavers while the Legion took New Vegas, thus leading to us having a border once the spirit disappeared.
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pohatu74  [developer] 20 May @ 1:48am 
WORDS!

1) Well that's an old ERB thing, and while I can adjust it, I have a rule about not touching Old ERB stuff unless absolutely necessary.

2) Yeah that's an issue with the updated map. It's not that big a deal and stems from where OWB Placed the original Victory Point.

3) OWB thing, not mine.

4) Maybe, but most of the wasteland does see the Enclave as Genocidal Maniacs. So while Mutant Freaks can go, the other is staying

5) No. That's just silly.

6) That's just HOI4 being HOI4.
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ThatOneBloke 20 May @ 2:14am 
Originally posted by pohatu74:
WORDS!

1) Well that's an old ERB thing, and while I can adjust it, I have a rule about not touching Old ERB stuff unless absolutely necessary.

2) Yeah that's an issue with the updated map. It's not that big a deal and stems from where OWB Placed the original Victory Point.

3) OWB thing, not mine.

4) Maybe, but most of the wasteland does see the Enclave as Genocidal Maniacs. So while Mutant Freaks can go, the other is staying

5) No. That's just silly.

6) That's just HOI4 being HOI4.

MORE WORDS!

1) Fair, though in this case I personally feel the change would be merited.

2) I see. Too small an issue to see resolved by next update?

3) Guess that's a no for the tutorial bonus then, unless you could somehow stop that specific event from firing until the player controls New Reno.

4) I suppose that's fair.

5) It's a legitimate edge case, though. 99% of the time, the Legion doesn't even come close to capturing the Mojave - in my case, the Brotherhood somehow managed to annex the Territories, then promptly got overrun by the Legion a few years later.

6) Still, you'd think the 2-year truce and the 'Legion Marches' events would stop them from justifying/declaring on the player or any of their puppets. Worth a revisit?

I've continued playing on this test save and have a few more bits of feedback, if you'd like to hear them.
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pohatu74  [developer] 21 May @ 11:56am 
I.will respond to this! When I have energy. Nothing against you, just really tired
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xxxx 22 May @ 7:12am 
Originally posted by ThatOneBloke:
Originally posted by pohatu74:
WORDS!

1) Well that's an old ERB thing, and while I can adjust it, I have a rule about not touching Old ERB stuff unless absolutely necessary.

2) Yeah that's an issue with the updated map. It's not that big a deal and stems from where OWB Placed the original Victory Point.

3) OWB thing, not mine.

4) Maybe, but most of the wasteland does see the Enclave as Genocidal Maniacs. So while Mutant Freaks can go, the other is staying

5) No. That's just silly.

6) That's just HOI4 being HOI4.

MORE WORDS!

1) Fair, though in this case I personally feel the change would be merited.

2) I see. Too small an issue to see resolved by next update?

3) Guess that's a no for the tutorial bonus then, unless you could somehow stop that specific event from firing until the player controls New Reno.

4) I suppose that's fair.

5) It's a legitimate edge case, though. 99% of the time, the Legion doesn't even come close to capturing the Mojave - in my case, the Brotherhood somehow managed to annex the Territories, then promptly got overrun by the Legion a few years later.

6) Still, you'd think the 2-year truce and the 'Legion Marches' events would stop them from justifying/declaring on the player or any of their puppets. Worth a revisit?

I've continued playing on this test save and have a few more bits of feedback, if you'd like to hear them.

5) so that's why I help mojave against brotherhood by console))
Because legion 99% cant concuarr hoover damb at first battle, and if brotherhood have it, legion eclare war and beat brotherhood
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pohatu74  [developer] 22 May @ 1:11pm 
Originally posted by ThatOneBloke:

1) Fair, though in this case I personally feel the change would be merited.

2) I see. Too small an issue to see resolved by next update?

3) Guess that's a no for the tutorial bonus then, unless you could somehow stop that specific event from firing until the player controls New Reno.

4) I suppose that's fair.

5) It's a legitimate edge case, though. 99% of the time, the Legion doesn't even come close to capturing the Mojave - in my case, the Brotherhood somehow managed to annex the Territories, then promptly got overrun by the Legion a few years later.

6) Still, you'd think the 2-year truce and the 'Legion Marches' events would stop them from justifying/declaring on the player or any of their puppets. Worth a revisit?

I've continued playing on this test save and have a few more bits of feedback, if you'd like to hear them.

1, and 2: Problems I can't be bothered with right now. As blunt as this sounds, deal with it. I have bigger fish to fry. I have to get this update done, integrate it all, and then run bug reports, so I cannot really be bothered to fix it. It'll get fixed when it gets fixed.

3: I actually prefer not getting money early on as it shows how low you actually are (in game, not IRL, I personally hope you are doing amazing BTW) and how the Sierra Enclave Starts from nothing.

4: We've agreed, so I will reiterate: I hope you are doing amazing IRL.

5: Caesar isn't going to commit to a limited war, he's going to throw everything at you. Further, at no point in the USA narrative is there room for a limited war. If it's before you take the NCR, the NCR is going to notice and come after you. If it's after, you're whole economy and practically all of the West Coast in ruin and Caesar is going to see this and commit his stronger force. Only in Nevada path can you really pull that off as you have the NCR backing you up, or at the very least aren't at risk of getting attacked by the NCR. Thus you can commit more forces to the Mojave. USA path however you are never in a position of strength where Caesar is going to concede territory. ESPECIALLY int he Mojave Meat Grinder.

6. You go to war with the Army and Economy you have, not the one you want. Sure it's HOI4 being HOI4 but Caesar sitting on his ass and twiddling his thumbs while you build the Death Ball that is the US Army is, quite frankly, absurd. I've decided since I'm revamping the NCR Resistance to keep the truce, but him justifying and delcaring war is very much in keeping what Caesar would do, in fact it's kinda unrealistic he even allows the Sierra Enclave to hold on as long as he does.
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ThatOneBloke 26 May @ 8:23pm 
Originally posted by pohatu74:
1, and 2: Problems I can't be bothered with right now. As blunt as this sounds, deal with it. I have bigger fish to fry. I have to get this update done, integrate it all, and then run bug reports, so I cannot really be bothered to fix it. It'll get fixed when it gets fixed.

3: I actually prefer not getting money early on as it shows how low you actually are (in game, not IRL, I personally hope you are doing amazing BTW) and how the Sierra Enclave Starts from nothing.

4: We've agreed, so I will reiterate: I hope you are doing amazing IRL.

5: Caesar isn't going to commit to a limited war, he's going to throw everything at you. Further, at no point in the USA narrative is there room for a limited war. If it's before you take the NCR, the NCR is going to notice and come after you. If it's after, you're whole economy and practically all of the West Coast in ruin and Caesar is going to see this and commit his stronger force. Only in Nevada path can you really pull that off as you have the NCR backing you up, or at the very least aren't at risk of getting attacked by the NCR. Thus you can commit more forces to the Mojave. USA path however you are never in a position of strength where Caesar is going to concede territory. ESPECIALLY int he Mojave Meat Grinder.

6. You go to war with the Army and Economy you have, not the one you want. Sure it's HOI4 being HOI4 but Caesar sitting on his ass and twiddling his thumbs while you build the Death Ball that is the US Army is, quite frankly, absurd. I've decided since I'm revamping the NCR Resistance to keep the truce, but him justifying and delcaring war is very much in keeping what Caesar would do, in fact it's kinda unrealistic he even allows the Sierra Enclave to hold on as long as he does.

Ah, fair enough for all of the above.

On a somewhat related note, I saw typos are at the top of your known issues list - I've done a fair bit of proof reading in a professional setting, so if you would prefer to focus your efforts on bugfixes and feature development, I'd be more than happy to help with typo hunting in events/spirits/etc. Just send a friend request and we can discuss in DMs
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