Crusader Kings III

Crusader Kings III

Faith's & Culture's for the People's (MB+ Submods)
TheAuditor  [developer] 29 Feb, 2024 @ 5:36pm
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Caloens2k1 14 Apr, 2024 @ 3:52am 
Can you give the Malankaran Christians the Church of India (d_malankaran if I'm not wrong) as their HoF title?
TheAuditor  [developer] 14 Apr, 2024 @ 4:16am 
i believe that title didnt exist yet at that time
Caloens2k1 14 Apr, 2024 @ 5:23am 
Weird, since I had that title while playing. Probably some other mod that add it.
Caloens2k1 22 Apr, 2024 @ 10:52am 
How about adding Chinese Muslim/Hui into the mod?
TheAuditor  [developer] 23 Apr, 2024 @ 2:38am 
The culture or religion? For culture its on my other mod....
Caloens2k1 23 Apr, 2024 @ 3:34am 
The religion. Since Muwalladism exist even though there's already Andalusian to represent Iberian Muslim, might as well make one for the Hui as well.
TheAuditor  [developer] 23 Apr, 2024 @ 6:49am 
If you keep suggesting without the source some dude will beat me lol
TheAuditor  [developer] 23 Apr, 2024 @ 6:50am 
They categorised as Sunni and Hui is a thing in Ming era mostly
Caloens2k1 23 Apr, 2024 @ 7:20am 
Lol, fair enough. K I'll look into this.
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Caloens2k1 23 Apr, 2024 @ 8:01am 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people


Hui people

Definition

Huihui

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Huihui (回回) was the usual generic term for China's Muslims (White Hui), Persian Christians (Black Hui) and Jews (Blue Hui) during the Ming and Qing dynasties. It is thought to have had its origin in the earlier Huihe (回紇) or Huihu (回鶻), which was the name for the Uyghur State of the 8th and 9th centuries.[20] Although the ancient Uyghurs were not Muslims[20] the name Huihui came to refer to foreigners, regardless of language or origin, by the time of the Yuan (1271–1368)[21] and Ming dynasties (1368–1644).[20] The use of Hui to denote all foreigners—Muslims, Nestorian Christians, or Jews—reflects bureaucratic terminology developed over the Yuan and Ming dynasties. Arab were white cap, Persians black cap and Jews blue cap Huihui. Islamic mosques and Jewish synagogues at the time were denoted by the same word, Qīngzhēnsì (清真寺: Temple of Purity and Truth).[22]

Other nomenclature

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Islam was originally called Dashi Jiao during the Tang dynasty, when Muslims first appeared in China. "Dashi Fa" literally means "Arab law" in Old Chinese.[31] Since almost all Muslims in China were exclusively foreign Arabs or Persians at the time, it was rarely mentioned by the Chinese, unlike other religions like Zoroastrism or Mazdaism, and Nestorian Christianity, which gained followings in China.[32] As an influx of foreigners, such as Persians, Jews and Christians, the majority of whom were Muslims who came from western regions, were labelled as Semu people, but were also mistaken by Chinese for Uyghur, due to them coming from the west (Uyghur lands).[33] The name "Hui Hui" was applied to them, and eventually became the name applied to Muslims.

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While Huihui or Hui remained a generic name for all Muslims in Imperial China, specific terms were sometimes used to refer to particular groups, e.g. Chantou Hui ("turbaned Hui") for Uyghurs, Dongxiang Hui and Sala Hui for Dongxiang and Salar people, and sometimes even Han Hui (漢回) ("Chinese Hui") for the (presumably Chinese-speaking) Muslims more assimilated into the Chinese mainstream society.[36][37]

Some scholars also say that some Hui used to call themselves 回漢子 (Hui Hanzi) "Muslim Han" but the Communist regime separated them from other Chinese and placed them into a separate ethnicity, "Huizu".[38]

History

Origins

Sects of Islam

Most Hui are Sunni Muslim following different Sufi schools. Ma Tong recorded that the 6,781,500 Sunni Hui in China followed 58.2% Gedimu, 21% Yihewani, 10.9% Jahriyya, 7.2% Khuffiya, 1.4% Qadariyya and 0.7% Kubrawiyya Sufi schools.[78]

Among the northern Hui, Central Asian Sufi schools such as Kubrawiyya, Qadiriyya, and Naqshbandiyya (Khufiyya and Jahriyya) were strong influences, mostly of the Hanafi Madhhab. Hui Muslims have a long tradition of synthesizing Confucian teachings with Qur'anic teachings and reportedly have contributed to Confucianism from the Tang period on. Before the "Yihewani" movement, a Chinese Muslim sect inspired by the Middle Eastern reform movement, northern Hui Sufis blended Taoist teachings and martial arts practices with Sufi philosophy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China

Islam in China

History

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During the Tang and Song dynasties, Muslims in China worshipped various kinds of "spirits" alongside Allah.[7]

Tang dynasty

According to Chinese Muslims' traditional accounts, Islam was first introduced to China in 616–18 by the Companions of Muhammad: Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas, Wahab ibn Abu Kabcha and another.[8][9] It is noted in other accounts that Wahab Abu Kabcha reached Canton by sea in 629 CE.[10]

The introduction of Islam mainly happened through two routes: from the southeast following an established path to Guangdong and from the northwest through the Silk Road.[11] Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas, along with the Companion Suhayla Abu Arja and Hassan ibn Thabit, and the Tabi'un Owais al-Qarani, returned to China from the Arabian Peninsula in 637 by the Yunnan-Manipur-Chittagong route, then reached Arabia by sea.[12] Some sources date the introduction of Islam in China to 650 CE, the third sojourn of Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas,[13] when he was sent as an official envoy to Tang emperor Gaozong during the reign of the Rashid Caliph Uthman's reign.[14] Emperor Gaozong, the Tang emperor who is said to have received the envoy then ordered the construction of the Huaisheng Mosque in Guangzhou in memory of Muhammad, which was the first mosque in the country.[13][15]

Song dynasty

By the time of the Song dynasty, Muslims had come to play a major role in the import/export industry.[13][17] The office of Director General of Shipping was consistently held by a Muslim during this period.[21] In 1070, the Song emperor Shenzong invited 5,300 Muslims from Bukhara, to settle in Song China in order to create a buffer zone between the Song and the Liao dynasties in the northeast. Later on, these Muslims settled between the Sung capital of Kaifeng and Yenching (modern day Beijing).[22] They were led by Prince Amir Sayyid "Su-fei-er"[23] (his Chinese name), who was called the "father" of the Muslim community in China. Prior to him, Islam was named by the Tang and Song Chinese as Dashi fa ("law of the Arabs").[24] He renamed it to Huihui Jiao ("the Religion of the Huihui").[25]

Tombs of Imams

On the foothills of Mount Lingshan are the tombs of two of the four companions that Muhammad sent eastwards to preach Islam. Known as the 'Holy Tombs', they house the companions Sa-Ke-Zu and Wu-Ko-Shun. The other two companions went to Guangzhou and Yangzhou.[26] The Imam Asim, is said to have been one of the first Islamic missionaries in China. He was a man who lived in c. 1000 CE in Hotan. The shrine site includes the reputed tomb of the Imam, a mosque, and several related tombs.[27] There is also a maqam of the Shia Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq.[28]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mosque_of_Xi%27an

Great Mosque of Xi'an

Chang'an, as the cosmopolitan capital of China's Tang dynasty, had sizable non-Han merchant and artisan communities that resided there. Many of them migrated to China from today's West Asia. Emperor Xuanzong[4] decreed around the year 742 AD (as Tangmingsi[3], 唐明寺) that a place of worship for the Muslim community was to be constructed in the city. It has been argued that, around the same time, mosques for the immigrant population in Quanzhou and Guangzhou were being built. There is evidence that the early mosque was used during the Song dynasty due to the presence of an imperial plaque placed in the mosque issued by the Song government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huaisheng_Mosque

Huaisheng Mosque

The Huaisheng Mosque[1][2][3] (Chinese: 广州怀圣寺;[2][4] also known as the Lighthouse Mosque[4][5] and the Great Mosque of Canton[n 1]) is the main mosque of Guangzhou. Rebuilt many times over its history, it is traditionally thought to have been originally built over 1,300 years ago,[6] which would make it one of the oldest mosques in the world.[7]

History

Old Chinese Muslim manuscripts say the mosque was built in 627 by Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas, a Companion of the Prophet who supposedly came on to China in the 620s.[9] Although modern secular scholars do not find any historical evidence that Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas actually visited China,[10] they agree that the first Muslims must have arrived to China within the 7th century,[10] and that the major trade centers, such as Guangzhou, Quanzhou, and Yangzhou, probably already had their first mosques built during the Tang dynasty, even though no reliable sources attesting to their actual existence has been found so far.[9][n 2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa'd_ibn_Abi_Waqqas


Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas

Alleged visit to Asia

Sa'd has been traditionally credited by Hui Muslims with introducing Islam to China. According to their tradition, Sa'd came to China as an ambassador in 650 during the reign of Emperor Gaozong of Tang.[70][71] The 17th century Hui scholar Liu Ch'ih instead credited Sa'd with introducing Islam to China in 616 after he moved to China from Abyssinia.[72]

Despite several Chinese claimants as Sa'd's descendants,[73] the claims that Sa'd visited China remains controversial among scholars.[74] According to Donald Leslie, "Chinese Muslim tradition, with sources from the 14th century and later, has the Sahâba Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqâs, maternal cousin of Muhammad, conqueror of Persia and founder of Kufâh, sent with other envoys in 628, but it is highly unlikely that envoys were actually sent to China during Muhammad's lifetime. Tabarî writes of envoys to Persia, Ethiopia and elsewhere, but does not mention China. We should note that besides the famous Guangzhou tomb for Waqqâs in China, there is one also in Medina, far more convincing".[2] L. C. Harris remarked that most Arab historians reject the notion due to lack of records for such a journey by Sa'd.[75] Maurice Gajan speculates that the local traditions about Sa'd are linked to some Muslim traders from the West Asia establishing small communities in the coastal towns of Quanzhou, Guangzhou, and Yangzhou during early medieval periods.[76] Sa'd is nonetheless an important figure in Chinese Muslims' cultural heritage, particularly the mosques and tombs that are attributed to him by local Muslims.[77]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingjing_Mosque

Qingjing Mosque

The Qingjing Mosque[1] (Chinese: 清净寺; Arabic: مسجد الأصحاب, romanized: Masjid al-Aṣḥāb), also known as the Ashab Mosque, is a mosque located in the city of Quanzhou, Fujian, China. It is found on Tumen Street. In 2021, the mosque was inscribed on the UNESCO World Heritage List along with other sites in and around Quanzhou because of its religious significance in the Song and Yuan dynasties, its importance to the medieval maritime trade of China, and its testimony to the global exchange of ideas and cultures during that time.[2]

History

Constructed in 1009, the Arab style mosque is the oldest of its kind in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niujie_Mosque

Niujie Mosque

The Niujie Mosque[1][2][3] (simplified Chinese: 牛街礼拜寺; traditional Chinese: 牛街禮拜寺; pinyin: Niú Jiē Lǐ Bài Sì; Wade–Giles: Niu-chieh Li-pai-ssu "Oxen Street House of Worship" or Chinese: 牛街清真寺; pinyin: Niú Jiē Qīng Zhēn Sì; Wade–Giles: Niu-chieh Ch'ing-chen-ssu "Oxen Street Mosque") is the oldest mosque in Beijing, China. It was first built in 996 during the Liao dynasty and was reconstructed as well as enlarged under the Kangxi Emperor (r. 1661–1722) of the Qing dynasty.[4]
Last edited by Caloens2k1; 23 Apr, 2024 @ 8:04am
TheAuditor  [developer] 23 Apr, 2024 @ 9:41pm 
From all of your point i appreciate it but diverge them into their own faith at ck3 timeframe i dont think so because the peak of Islamism in China occur during Ming and Qing period in medieval era they still either Sunni or Maturidi, sufi isnt a faith its just a method that each Muslim denom have their own sufism
TheAuditor  [developer] 24 Apr, 2024 @ 1:03am 
But making a syncretic muslim for em is kinda good idea maybe you can provide me what the tenets and their deites name
Caloens2k1 24 Apr, 2024 @ 1:47am 
Yeah, I was thingking more about the "During the Tang and Song dynasties, Muslims in China worshipped various kinds of "spirits" alongside Allah." 👀

I'll do more in depth research about the tenet, doctrine,c etc. later on when I'm free.
Caloens2k1 24 Apr, 2024 @ 1:49am 
Also, is it possible to make faith that see each other as righteous to use the holy site building of each other? No need for the other stuff (Pilgrim, etc), just the building.
Riaman 11 Aug, 2024 @ 10:03pm 
Just a suggestion Bihari should be renamed as Magadhi, the name Bihar comes from the Sanskrit and Pali word vihāra, which means "abode" or "monastery". The region that is now Bihar had many Buddhist vihāras, or abodes for Buddhist monks, during ancient and medieval times.So when Muslims Turko Persians conquered that place they started calling it Bihar, bihari should be instead a hybrid culture formed from persian(Muslim invaders from Turko Persians, who spoke persian mostly) + magadhi.
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