Total War: SHOGUN 2

Total War: SHOGUN 2

Starting Units (As They Should Be)
pOganpAgan  [developer] 31 May, 2024 @ 2:38am
Suggestions about units for each clan
As the mod currently is in testing phase, i suggested you give an oppinion about your preference for evry clan.
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ischdreh'dursch 5 Jun, 2024 @ 8:38am 
Since my comment got deleted cause of this thread, I'll post it again. :p

I'd swap out the Hattori Bandits with Kisho Ninja. I'd say a sneaky unit that's able to delete generals and scale walls at a fast pace is more useful in the beginning, than a (imo) worse version of Bow Ashigaru. You could also could argue it fits the clan theme better I guess.

I've seen you tuned down some of the other clans starting units, so the Mounted Gunners for the Tokugawa probably won't make it. I'd say that clan deserves a little treat though, given the rough start as a vassal. Flavor wise, you could argue it's maybe not too far fetched, cause they start off with the warhorse ressource in their province!^^
ThunderWarrior 13 Jun, 2024 @ 12:41am 
Originally posted by loverino:
Since my comment got deleted cause of this thread, I'll post it again. :p

I'd swap out the Hattori Bandits with Kisho Ninja. I'd say a sneaky unit that's able to delete generals and scale walls at a fast pace is more useful in the beginning, than a (imo) worse version of Bow Ashigaru. You could also could argue it fits the clan theme better I guess.

I've seen you tuned down some of the other clans starting units, so the Mounted Gunners for the Tokugawa probably won't make it. I'd say that clan deserves a little treat though, given the rough start as a vassal. Flavor wise, you could argue it's maybe not too far fetched, cause they start off with the warhorse ressource in their province!^^
Giving them the mounted gunners at the begining is very much justified. Just look at Takeda getting fire cav and they aren't a vassal + have a decent starting position. Some clans like Hattori deserve something nicer. Giving mounted gunners to Tokugawa and giving Hattori the kisho ninja instead seems way more interesting. Maybe swapping out bow ashigaru for bandits would make it even more unique.
汚いお尻 28 Jul, 2024 @ 1:36pm 
Give Otomo 1 Matchlock Samurai
Delicia Suprema 2 Sep, 2024 @ 9:53am 
Why tokuwaga gets ninja and hattori gets the bandit archer ? Hattori is literally the ninja clan. Not a bandit clan...
Due 11 Dec, 2024 @ 3:46pm 
Give em two of each. Or some extra Ashigaru. That way we might actually see all the Great clans survive the Early game..
Rod 21 Mar @ 9:50am 
Hello


I have been looking for a mod that buffs major factions using this method using the dlc packs. My idea was to always make sure major factions never get killed off by minor factions and also so players get more variety in the early game. As the AI likes to recruit Bow Ashigaru a lot i think it best they are not a starting unit.


So how would my ideal mod look? Very similar to what you did but i would of maybe added at least two additional DLC units to the major factions using the DLC packs. Could you do this for the community? Or tell me how? Thankyou!



Uesugi
1 General
1 Marathon Monk
1 Yari Cavalry
2 Spear Ashigaru


Ikko Iki
1 General
2 Marathon Monks
2 Spear Ashigaru


Takeda
1 General
2 Fire Cavalry
2 Spear Ashigaru


Hattori
1 General
1 Kisho Ninja
1 Hattori Bandit
2 Spear Ashigaru


Date
1 General
1 Bulletproof Samurai
1 No Dachi Samurai
2 Spear Ashigaru


Mori
1 General
1 Wako Raiders
1 Katana Samurai
2 Spear Ashigaru


Chokosabe
1 General
1 Daikyu Samurai
1 Katana Samurai
2 Spear Ashigaru


Shimazu
1 General
2 Katana Samurai
2 Spear Ashigaru


Otomo
1 General
1 Portugese Tercos
1 Donderbus Cavalry
2 Spear Ashigaru


Oda
1 General
3 Oda Long Ashigaru
1 Matchlock Samurai


Tokugawa
1 General
1 Katana Samurai
1 Hanzo's Shadows (Ninja Hero)
2 Spear Ashigaru


Hojo
1 General
2 Naginata Samurai
2 Spear Ashigaru
Last edited by Rod; 24 Mar @ 3:38pm
Rod 24 Mar @ 11:19am 
Originally posted by Delicia Suprema:
Why tokuwaga gets ninja and hattori gets the bandit archer ? Hattori is literally the ninja clan. Not a bandit clan...

I think the Hattori Kisho Ninja unit appropriate. As for the Tokugawa clan they should have the Hero Ninja Hanzo Shadows or Hattori Hanzo.



"Hattori Hanzō or Second Hanzō, nicknamed Oni no Hanzō, was a famous samurai of the Sengoku era, who served the Tokugawa clan as a general, credited with saving the life of Tokugawa Ieyasu and then helping him to become the ruler of united Japan. He is often a subject of various portrayals in modern popular culture" - Wikipedia



https://www.swordsofnorthshire.com/blogs/theblade/hattori-hanzo-samurai-general-turned-leader-of-ninja?srsltid=AfmBOoqZ7MWtzd-ZwE2nYM2Q6lBnfyuyf2qZ-lF7SqucPGxdvQ72S_CB
Last edited by Rod; 24 Mar @ 3:40pm
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