Mount & Blade: Warband

Mount & Blade: Warband

More Women with Diplomacy v4.2
someproteinguy  [developer] 21 Oct, 2014 @ 7:51am
FAQ
There's a problem with the download

The mod is downloadable from here, however I'm certain it is NOT working properly after download. You'll need to follow the instructions on the front page to get it to work.

The nexusmods version should be working fine as well. It can be found here: http://www.nexusmods.com/mbwarband/mods/5935/? if you need an alternative download site.

I followed the instructions but I'm still having trouble getting the mod to work

I'll try and help or offer advice if I can, but I'm no computer guru.

Native version?

Yes, there's also a Native version for download. It's listed here as a separate file, but may be buried deeper on the list than this one.

Boob Armor?

No boob armor, nudity, unrealistic fantasy armor, etc. The women wear the same armor as the men.

So Is this supposed to be realistic?

Not really, I basically took a realistic scenario (i.e. war spurring women to take on non-traditional roles) to an unrealistic extreme. Part of this was intentional and done for fun, part of this was simply due to how the game was designed and what was reasonable for me to program. I'm still very much in the learning process when it comes to modding M&B.

Where are the male units?

All of the male units are still in the game. They are available for hire as mercenaries from taverns. NPC lords will also recruit a mixture of male and female units, so you'll likely end up with some that way as well. Bandits are also a good source of male units, both through capturing and recruiting, and by hiring their prisoners after the battle.

Can you merge this with my favorite mod?

In theory it's possible if the owner of the other mod permits it, and if there is public access to their python scripts. In reality I probably have my hands full keeping two versions going, and integrating what I have now into a new mod would be quite a bit of work. I'll keep the suggestion in mind however.

I swear I left that book here somewhere...

This version of Diplomacy has a known bug where, on occasion, items left in the bottom rows of the inventory may disappear. This is likely beyond my ability to fix in the short term at least.

Which units are best?

Under spoiler tags, for people who like figuring these things out for themselves.

In general men are better with swords/axes/etc, both sexes are fairly indistinguishable with a lance or bow (men hit for more with the bow, but women are more accurate, lances will pretty much 1-shot stuff regardless), and women are superior with a crossbow. So Huscarls, Swadian Knights & Rhodok Assassins. The Khergit Windrider is an improvement over the male horse archers, but unfortunately it's still a horse archer in a game that doesn't do horse archery all that well. The Female Bandit Knight/Captain is well rounded.

Any hints/tips?

Not really, you're probably pretty good at this stuff already, but if you want a 'heads up' about what's coming...

Hunt down and kill the NPC leaders early, and don't neglect the tactics skill. Ranged units are more effective here than in the base game. Kill a few packs of looters at the start before trying the other bandits.

Okay, this is nice but I don't want my army to be all female.

Realistically early in the game is the only point you'll find yourself fighting with an all female army (unless you go out of your way to do so). The story reason for this would be that all the men that can fight to any reasonable amount have already been conscripted from the villages to fight in the endless wars (or otherwise are unhireable, or have left to make money as mercenaries, etc.). The real world reason is that, as programmed, I can only put 1 unit in the call to recruit from the village, and am not familiar enough with the code to make it happen otherwise.

Putting together an army with a large number of men will more difficult, and more expensive, but ultimately more effective as well. It's one of the extra challenges built into the mod.

It wasn't intended initially, however in practice making it harder to get that army of 100 Swadian Knights that can simply roll over everything has helped the game feel a bit more balanced. Frankly if you can manage to get that army of 100 Swadian Knights in this mod, as far as I'm concerned you've more than earned the right to smash everyone else into the ground.

I think I found a bug

By all means please let me know, and the more details the better. Debugging a mod by yourself for a game that can easily take over 100 hours to "complete" is quite the task. I'll also note the Diplomacy version does have a good number more bugs than the Native version. Some of this is likely due to the merger with this mod, and some are bugs in Diplomacy itself. I'll do what I can to track down problems but a lot of things will likely be beyond my ability to fix unfortunately.

GAMERGATE!!!!11

Meh, whatever. I just wanted to make a mod that added more women to the game.

If you really want my opinion: women don't usually get a good portrayal in video games, and video game reviews are awful for the most part. Both have been true since the dawn of gaming, and I fear both will unfortunately be true for a while longer. The rest of the internet kerfuffle speaks for itself.

On that note I'd encourage you to debate this particular topic elsewhere, but if you really must discuss please try and keep things at least semi-civil.

Something else!

Ask away.
Last edited by someproteinguy; 6 Nov, 2014 @ 8:31am
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KanranTou 1 Nov, 2014 @ 10:35pm 
What? ._.
Helmsents 29 Dec, 2014 @ 5:21pm 
so after searching all around your FAQ and every other thread is the Female married to Female lord a bug or is same-sex marriage allowed in this mod. Sorry if you have answered this question before.
someproteinguy  [developer] 5 Jan, 2015 @ 9:05pm 
Hi Helmsents,

Right now same sex marriage isn't possible with this mod to my knowledge. I looked into adjusting the marriage system at one point, and it's unfortunately a bit beyond my ability. The female NPC Lords just throw error messages right now when they attempt to court ladies (this is very apparent in the Diplomacy version as it causes an obvious error message and can mean further problems with the two characters involved later on).

Overall the whole marriage/courtship has a variety of different checks, some of which are related to the tf_female flag, others are related to the unit's position in the troops file, etc. The basic problem is that the game was written for only male Lords, (other than your character) and only female Ladies, to marry. Changing that is one of those things that appears simple on the surface, but unfortunately proves to be more of a convoluted mess once you get down into the code, and the assumptions it makes. :(
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