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1984 - Revolution
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amode66 21 Jun @ 12:51am
why does the revolution happen the way it does?
the whole mod feels forced and far fetched. in the russian revolution things happened because there was the city intelligencia that agitated the workers and the countryside. the whole concept of 1984 is that the party strictly picks out intelligencia and makes them into the members of the party and control them. i cannot understand why things happen in the mod the way they do, why do proles, unguided by intelligencia, suddenly have nation counciousness, neatly do liberal nation liberation revolts?

if there is hope, it lies in proles. but for some reason, instead of a proletarian revolution there happens 10 liberal ones.
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jim adventure 24 Jun @ 12:17am 
The Soviets are coming next update so there is some hope for socialism
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jim adventure 2 Jul @ 1:35am 
scratch that, they dont have a focus tree
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bob l'éponge 2 Jul @ 8:46am 
"but for some reason, instead of a proletarian revolution there happens 10 liberal ones"

facts my brother! spit your ♥♥♥♥ indeed!

all i want for christmas is to lead a leninist revolution against the entrenched party-bureaucratic bourgeoisie in kapitalgrad
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amode66 2 Jul @ 9:08am 
me when surplus value is still generated and the state takes form of the abstract capitalist*
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amode66 2 Jul @ 9:10am 
Originally posted by sofa king:
"but for some reason, instead of a proletarian revolution there happens 10 liberal ones"

facts my brother! spit your ♥♥♥♥ indeed!

all i want for christmas is to lead a leninist revolution against the entrenched party-bureaucratic bourgeoisie in kapitalgrad


the party are literally petite bourgious (manag*rs) read orwell on james burnham's "managerial revolution"
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Person 2 Jul @ 4:48pm 
Originally posted by jim adventure:
scratch that, they dont have a focus tree
The USSR rebellion has decisions to reunite Russia and invade other factions and regions.
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HydroGammer 12 Jul @ 2:59pm 
Keep in mind, there could have been smart people in the proles that the party missed. Plus, in the UK's case at least, Winston is able to lead the revolution due to great will power. Furthermore, in the book it is insinuated that either Oceania or the party's rule collapsed. I think in future updates we may see the democracies built up more to allow proletariat parties to become popular.
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amode66 13 Jul @ 6:23am 
have you even read the book? nowhere is it hinted at that the party rule collapsed. why would it collapse if it is shown by the book to work perfectly as intended (endless alienation of educated proletaians from one another and proletarians at large, causing all potential organizers (winston) to ever fail)?
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HydroGammer 13 Jul @ 7:20am 
Originally posted by amode66:
have you even read the book? nowhere is it hinted at that the party rule collapsed. why would it collapse if it is shown by the book to work perfectly as intended (endless alienation of educated proletaians from one another and proletarians at large, causing all potential organizers (winston) to ever fail)?

Yes, I have read it in the end. There is pages after Winston's story that talks about Ingsoc in a past-tense. Insinuating that Ingsoc and/or oceania Collapsed afterwards.
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amode66 13 Jul @ 7:25am 
fair i have not read the book in english, only localized. is this the only thing that points towards ingsoc collapse though?
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HydroGammer 13 Jul @ 11:16am 
It is only insinuated, it never says (if I am remember correctly) 'Ingsoc/Oceania collapsed in 1986' or whatever. But the words it uses is in a past sense, as if they recollecting the time Ingsoc/Oceania existed (like a historian would). But yes, as far as I am aware, this is the only thing that points towards ingsoc's/Oceania's collapse.

This might be more of a 'edition' thing rather than a language thing. Because some books that have newer editions has more stuff in said editions (like writer's notes or history of the book itself).
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