Maybe instead of a back stab, he gets a large health, speed, and damage bonus and the damage bonus would be +30 percent to his revolver and this would last about 7 seconds

So the stats would be this:
+30% holstering speed

-Back stabs only do 170 damage

-On successful backstab, spy gains the following buffs

+45% Revolver damage

+35% speed

+70 max health

+20% revolver firing speed

(This effect lasts about 7 seconds)

no backstabs, +25 base damage, can crit. there fixed

That's a horrible concept, Spy is a pretty weak class. what I'm suggesting with this is gun spy

+the last person who killed you can be backstabbed from any angle
-damage removes disguise

sure why not

but that could be abused with a low respawn time

I don't think weapon balancing should consider low respawn timers.

ok, yeah but still the stats from Sir Dapper are bad. I accept mine aren't perfect, but still

(Pros)
Upon a successful backstab, target is Stunned and Marked-For-Death, causing all damage taken to be mini-crits

100% critical hits vs Marked-For-Death players

(Cons)
No Insta-Kill backstabs

Originally posted by D|g1t4L G|it(h:

(Pros)
Upon a successful backstab, target is Stunned and Marked-For-Death, causing all damage taken to be mini-crits

100% critical hits vs Marked-For-Death players

(Cons)
No Insta-Kill backstabs

Cannot attack, cloak, or switch weapons for 1.5 seconds upon a successful backstab

Interesting design but ultimately it would be a massive downgrade to stock Knife as one of Engie's counters would be difficult to kill him and sap his buildings. Spy is already a low health class and I don't see these stats benefitting him that much. I dunno.

Originally posted by Zeugziumy | F4AfterEngiBuilds:

Originally posted by D|g1t4L G|it(h:

(Pros)
Upon a successful backstab, target is Stunned and Marked-For-Death, causing all damage taken to be mini-crits

100% critical hits vs Marked-For-Death players

(Cons)
No Insta-Kill backstabs

Cannot attack, cloak, or switch weapons for 1.5 seconds upon a successful backstab

Interesting design but ultimately it would be a massive downgrade to stock Knife as one of Engie's counters would be difficult to kill him and sap his buildings. Spy is already a low health class and I don't see these stats benefitting him that much. I dunno.

Yeah, gonna be honest, I forgot about the engie part so I'll remove that second con cause I can see how spy would struggle in those situations.
Also, these were the only things I could think of that would fit the name of the weapon while trying to keep it somewhat usable, making it a little unique from the other knifes

That's the best stats for this weapon by far

On backstab: enemies in an area around target are marked for death for a few seconds
On backstab: gavel breaks and has to recharge to be used again

maybe instead a damage penalty on backstab that starts at 25% and ends at 100%?