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+60% dmg
-60% firing speed
-10% ammo on primary weapon
+90% cloak regen

Originally posted by Crappy Soldier EST:

+60% dmg
-60% firing speed
-10% ammo on primary weapon
+90% cloak regen

Isn't that a little overkill along side a better enforcer basicly.

Originally posted by ☯ Cerberus Maniac ☯:

The Idea of it is to be some way or another be helpful in gaurding you.

I personally believe that the stats below makes it Worthy of being called guardian.

Pros

Shoot while loaked.
+ 25 Maximum Health
Restore 2% Firing Speed per Kill

Cons

Cannot use Ammunition to restore Cloak
- 10% Cloak Duration
- 10% Firing Speed
- 33% Primary Ammunition Capacity

So I'll love to hear why this wouldn't be balanced exluding having 25 plus health than normal even with the kunai knife.

Also when I say restore I mean back to normal or 0, not to infinity.

Holy crap, Shooting while cloaked would be a nightmare for enemy players. Like seriously people would exploit that so much with the Cloak and Dagger

Originally posted by ☯ Cerberus Maniac ☯:

Originally posted by Prof.Chimichangas:

Although the cons balance that.

You've got a point, but pair this gun with the cloak and dagger and holy crap, so OP XD

Originally posted by Prof.Chimichangas:

Originally posted by ☯ Cerberus Maniac ☯:

...

Pros

Shoot while cloaked...

...

Cons

Cannot use Ammunition to restore Cloak
- 10% Cloak Duration...

Holy crap, Shooting while cloaked would be a nightmare for enemy players. Like seriously people would exploit that so much with the Cloak and Dagger

Although you see Cons help with it. IDK about the Cloak and Dagger (I updated it to make less abusable).

---PROS---

+50% Fire Rate
+25% Reload Speed

---CONS---

-25% Damage
+10% Recoil
No Random Critical Hits

Originally posted by TB A&A:

---PROS---

+50% Fire Rate
+25% Reload Speed

---CONS---

-25% Damage
+10% Recoil
No Random Critical Hits

I'll have to think about this one...
It's OKAY but not that great.

But yeah, other than that I like the stats, and I would love to see this in TF2

+20% Dmg while undiguised
+15% firing speed
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-30% range (Because its a snub nosed)
-15% Reload Speed (Because you have to load the bullets in 1 by 1)

Tell me what you think.

i like the idea of cerberus's suggestion but perhaps it should be you can shoot while disguised instead of while cloaked i mean no matter how much you reduce the damage shooting while cloaked would be OP at least you can see disguised people also

-40% or -30% range (make you have to close to your target)

+900% Cloak Regen Rate
+200 Max Health
+100% Resistance to all damage
+500 Power Level
and to keep it balanced
-2% Damage

Originally posted by Chadbroseph:

i like the idea of cerberus's suggestion but perhaps it should be you can shoot while disguised instead of while cloaked i mean no matter how much you reduce the damage shooting while cloaked would be OP at least you can see disguised people also

-40% or -30% range (make you have to close to your target)

Tkank you, but please go to the new discussion.

Originally posted by Sergio Sabella:

+900% Cloak Regen Rate
+200 Max Health
+100% Resistance to all damage
+500 Power Level
and to keep it balanced
-2% Damage

ROFL!!!

have to say this by the way:
normally, the player stats (like speed, health or regeneration) are made for melee weapons

how about:
- 10% damage
- 15% magazin size
+ 25% firing speed