well let me go get the stuff i already posted

hmm... well focusing on north american focusing on the north first , the too damn cold point in Canada and most Alaska for colonization point. for what could be up there that besides empty land ,Quebec with french culture (of course once you do that you could make Louisianan have a french based culture). a few more Canadian tribes. for Alaska you could do something interesting i understand your not a fan of adding new nations to the lore so feel free to throw this one to the wolves, but your could have a brotherhood of steel like organization up there. it was full of military personal and they had one of the few oil reserves left, so something like that could have survived up there.

okay i'm done with my thoughts on north north america i'll come back with my thoughts mexico and the Caribbean once i have them gathered.

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so i went through the fallout wiki for any factions you could use to fill in the map, they are separated by game, in case you decide you don't like a certain game. hopefully links will be provided but if not, I'll give a general location.
i am using this link to do my research
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Factions_by_game

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CANNON GAMES
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Fallout 1
I didn't find anything that wouldn't have been eaten by the NCR by this time frame
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Fallout 2
again nothing that wouldn't have already been eaten heck someone mentioned Arroyo possible becoming something but we meat a person from there in new Vegas so it was probable eaten. which means southern Organ under NCR rule.
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Fallout 3
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Brotherhood Outcasts
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_Outcasts
maybe put them north of the Capital wasteland chapter of BOS?
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Reilly's Rangers
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Reilly%27s_Rangers
there apparently post to be the east analog to the desert rangers maybe they expanded and/or moved after capital wastelands became safe.
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Talon Company
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Talon_Company
where do they come from. there a lot of them and they have orders from most likely the enclave (it could be some one else) to keep the capital wasteland lawless, which to me means they come from somewhere else and control large resources. maybe put them to the south our east?

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Fallout tactics
Gammorin's Army
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Gammorin%27s_Army
a supper mutant vassal to the midwest brotherhood of steal.

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Fallout new Vegas
Ciphers
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Ciphers
i'm not really sure about this one it just anouther group on the border of the NCR but with old world tech
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the divide markmen
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Marked_men
could be interesting

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big empty
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Think_Tank_(faction)
this one i'm not to sure about... but it worth noting mad scientists turning the world in to the lab experiment

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GAMES THAT MAY NOT BE CANNON because of hatred for them
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fallout Brother of hood of steal
Brother of hood of steal Texas comes from this game so every one stop saying there not cannon. for goodness sake people there were planing to make a sequel.
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and not a... people don't like this game because it low on lore and what lore they built all die at the end of the game i bet.


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GAMES THAT WERE NEVER MADE
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Fallout: Resource Wars
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Fallout:_Resource_Wars
a prequel game someone wanted to make interesting as it shows some of Europe but that about it.

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Fallout: brotherhood of steel 2
the jackals
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Jackals
they have a presence in Texas so maybe with the waning of the eastern branch they grew on the border of Texas


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Project 13/ fallout online/ fallout the strategy rpg
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Project_V13
yeah i have no idea what this is but there might be some factions
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Guardian Brotherhood
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_Brotherhood
they appear to be another brother hood of steel like force from Organ and further north but have no relation to the brotherhood

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Hounds of Hell and the torn sky
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Project_V13_factions
raiders or tribal's in organ

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Van Buren or fallout 3 never made or fallout new Vegas idea bucket
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Daughters of Hecate and Hounds of Hecate
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Daughters_of_Hecate
an anti ceaser legion tribes dedicated to one day see it death and led by a "living goddess" who the only survivor of Twisted Hair not in the legion service.

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Iron Lines/ Iron Rivers
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Lines
mid west nomadic tribal who fallow the rail road's. since they have two names you can make two tribes.

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Twin Mothers
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Twin_Mothers
there a tribe from Colorado and are harald (the guy stuck in a tree) people

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Scorpion's Bite
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Scorpion%27s_Bite
raiders near the Twin Mothers


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Fallout Extreme
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Extreme

if there is any game i think you should ignore till north america done... it this one
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Army of the Golden Tiger
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Army_of_the_Golden_Tiger
...huh china... who da thunk it...
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Issaquah Nation
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Issaquah_Nation
a small nation in Washington
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Huns
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Huns
... Mongolia... am i drunk?
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Inuits
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Inuits
OH CANADA tribal's
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Siberian Cossacks
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Siberian_Cossacks
.... i am drunk
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The Cause
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Cause
-- something in the north west
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Imperial China / New Imperial Guard
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/China
there an emperor on the throne in Taiwan
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Montauk new York or Missouri.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Montauk
it would give you something in the south.


there i did something *dies*
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*revives*

okay i got annoyed by everyone saying you should check out that fallout doomday. so i did my best to fine anything from it that listed nations. this is what i got
http://i.imgur.com/dVR2gWk.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/TreizeV/Fallout/1.jpg
and that about it
apparently there about 40 nations but i could not fine most of them
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soo apparently fallout tactics two would have dealt with gulf cost region... why do i bring that up... we would of had another splinter group of the BoS this time from the Mid west group who were thrown out because there there even more militaristic and oppressive then any other Bos group fighting GIANT HUMANOID CROCODILES.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Tactics_2

and the chances it was cannon is good as they planed to use the GIANT HUMANOID CROCODILES fallout brotherhood of steel two.

have fun with that concept if you want

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NEW STUFF NOT POSTED BEFORE
Paradise falls
why not? it's more raider culture to add to the map


also i have a question to you guys? do you want me to make a list of all tribal nations and what inspired there name that have been in this series for you to use as a outline line on how tribal take there name?

The BOS Texas Branch did and still exists in the lore! Why is it gone?

I think that New Vegas and Shady Sands should be made into important centers of trade or mabye in the case of New Vegas a "The Strip" modifier that gives a tax modifier or something and for The Hub a "Caravans" modifier which would give incresed trade power.

Massachusetts could be expanded to what ever you desire, especially with adding the Institute with large bonuses in tech

I remeber reading something about somesort of North West Federation that takes up most of Alaska, British Columbia, And Yukon territory. I dont know if its cannon or not i did read it on the wiki... I think it would be something to add to the game as an existing nation or a formible nation.

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The BOS Texas Branch did and still exists in the lore! Why is it gone?

The only evidence I can find after the Texas Expedition is from Van Buren, whose story states that the Legion marches east past Texas. It's up to interpretation as to what happened, but if the Legion got past Texas, they likely won a war/conflict against the Brotherhood and took Texas. Unless I'm missing evidence that proves otherwise, that's the interpretation that I'll use.

Though there should certainly be cores/claims due to the Texas Expedition. I'll readd that.

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I remeber reading something about somesort of North West Federation that takes up most of Alaska, British Columbia, And Yukon territory.

A quick search doesn't turn up anything, but I'll look into that.

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-various possible factions-

I'll also take a closer look at all of the groups. There are definitely a couple there I'm considering.

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Massachusetts could be expanded to what ever you desire, especially with adding the Institute with large bonuses in tech

I'll consider ways of adding the Institute to the Commonwealth.

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I think that New Vegas and Shady Sands should be made into important centers of trade or mabye in the case of New Vegas a "The Strip" modifier that gives a tax modifier or something and for The Hub a "Caravans" modifier which would give incresed trade power.

I proposed the same thing in suggestions thread. I very support idea of giving out a lot of province modifiers to different places, so provices may better represent what place was like in fallout. These are my ideas (sorry for my english, if there are mistakes in disciptions) for province modifiers:

The Hub
"The city of Hub was founded in the middle of wastelands by merchant Angus, city quickly develpoted to become major trading center of post-apocalyptic world. City is situated on intersection of valuable trade routes and is headquarter to some of largest trade companies of west coast, which makes is very rich and influential ."
+30 local trade power
+15% caravan power

Vault City
"This place was founded was result of re-colonization of wasteland by citizens of Vault 8, today city is known for it's major role in produciton of medical suppiles and drugs and best health care in entire wastelands."
+5% manpower recovery rate
+10 local trade power

Gecko
"This ghoul populated town have nuclear power plant, while it's provide a lot of energy which can have major inpact on production, it's high radioactivity makes it unhabitable by human beings, only ghouls can live there, and ghouls are aware of their bizarrness and separation from rest of creatures living in wastelands and have hard time coming into agreement with others."

+5% Goods produced nationally
-5% Local Missionary strength
+5 local unrest

New Vegas
"Untouched by misseiles during The Great War, Vegas still have it's pre-war glory and remained gambling capital of the world. It's possible to make proit out of New Vegas, but we must be aware that this city is criminal capital of the world as well"
+10 local trade power
+150% goods produced (gold)
+15% Stability cost modifier
*also there should be decision for countries that have vegas to tax gambling harshly - it would increase tax modifier and revolt risk for whole country

Hoover Dam
"This pre-war water energy plant can provide energy for wastelands in abudance, however, it's no cheap task to make and keep it working again"
+8% goods produced nationally
+300% increased coring cost
-100% local production modifier

HELIOS-One
"This pre-war solar plant, can provide energy for local settlements. Much of it's pre-war millitary technology makes it great spot for science research and defense."
+300% goods produced (not nationally)
-2,5% tech cost
+200% local defensivness

Rivet-City
"This place is largest city in capital wastelands, making it very important centre of trade. Worth mentioning is the fact that this place is situated on pre-war ship, which makes it rather hard to conquer"
+20 local trade power
+2 naval force limit
+150% local defensivness

Paradise Falls
"Despite it's name, this place is no paradise. It's the largest slave trading center in capital wastelands. Inhumane it might be, slaves are very effective and cheap workforce"
-1 diplomatic reputation
-20% power building cost
+5 local trade power
(if you ban slavery and have this province, you should also get tiggered modifier to fix effects of Paradise Falls)

It's no complete list of course, if makers of mod support idea, I will make more of these.

As well as this Jacobstown should have a Supermutant culture and so should other places. As Born to Frag said I think there should be lots of very small provinces to represent the cities, but instead of just completely uncolonised wastes, I'd just have very low basetax provinces in the immediate surrounding area (NCR and Caesar's Legion should be exceptions) with high autonomy (that is a lot harder to get down than in the real EU4). Maybe the trade goods could be changed as well? It would be awesome if say there were cheap Brahmin producing provinces, medium-valued farmlands (that are quite rare) and the occasional high-value trade goods (I know they're not resources but products) like energy in the Helios One province energy weapons in province containing the Gun Runners'.

I think I'm the only one, but I'm not a big fan of the Enclave... Also, the state of New Vegas is too big as some of the provinces within it should be owned, but not cored, by the NCR such as Goodsprings and Helios One.

Trade Centres would be cool, maybe the Pitt (which I think should change to producing steel)? Maybe Gecko should produce Nuclear Energy as its trade good. Maybe the trade nodes should be switched up focusing around California, the Capital Wasteland, the Midwest, the South, and up North.

As well as this, unique tribal nations should have their own culture which is part of the 'Tribal' culture-group. For example the language and customs of the Dead Horses and White Legs are completely different. Talking of the tribes of Zion, I think the Sorrows and the Dead Horses should be a bit smaller considering that they only live in Zion Canyon, while the White Legs should just be reaching on to New Canaan and Salt Lake and be a bit smaller.

3rd comment in a row... sorry...

Can different nations have terra incognita?
- The West doesn't know about the East, apart from the BoS knowing about the Eastern Chapter
- Midwestern Chapter is half-known by everyone, and it knows only about the West Coast
- Ronto is unknown by everyone apart from the Enclave, the Pitt and the Commonwealth
- Same for the Enclave (although I support removing them or making them just in Chicago)
- Caesar's Legion knows little apart from the near parts of the NCR and surrounding area

Provinces:

- Commonwealth to cover just Massachusetts
- No Enclave, apart from station in Chicago
- BoS Midwest chapter to have high autonomy to reflect their lack of numbers
- White Legs smaller ranging from the Great Salt Lake to West Nevada and just down to Zion
- New 80s tribes off the east of White Legs
- Great Khans moved to new Red Rock Canyon province, with core on Bitter Springs
- Removal of Great Khans up north and change to 'Tribal' culture group
- Shi made an OPM in San Fransisco
- NCR owns LA, but Adytum has a amall province right to the south
- Again, Helios One is owned, but not cored, by NCR
- Bitter Springs is owned by NCR
- Can you make the provinces more circular?

Trade Goods:

- The Pitt produces Steel
- Boston creates AI
- Vault CIty has medical aid
- Helios One and Gecko create energy

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από A Removed Barrel:

The BOS Texas Branch did and still exists in the lore! Why is it gone?

The only evidence I can find after the Texas Expedition is from Van Buren, whose story states that the Legion marches east past Texas. It's up to interpretation as to what happened, but if the Legion got past Texas, they likely won a war/conflict against the Brotherhood and took Texas. Unless I'm missing evidence that proves otherwise, that's the interpretation that I'll use.

Though there should certainly be cores/claims due to the Texas Expedition. I'll readd that.


So an expedition immediately means that a branch of the Brotherhood was conquered? HUH.

another way to look at it is the brother of Texas was pushed out of the region back to the mid west where they will wait till that region is returned though the help of the midwest...

or they could have moved the capital further south in Texas after they lost that land but i more for the first one

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So an expedition immediately means that a brance of the Brotherhood was conquered? HUH.

Timeline:

2209: Attis is killed. The Texas Expedition ends with a Brotherhood victory. A new branch of the Brotherhood is created inside Texas (presumably).

2272: Battle of Hoover Dam ends with a NCR victory. After this defeat, the Legion marches east past Texas.

Either:

A - Some time between 2209 and 2272, the Legion and the Texas Brotherhood have a conflict, with a Legion victory.

B - With the Legion's march east, they conflict with the Texas Brotherhood to get through Texas, also with a Legion victory.

if you could can you add china and russia becouse that is the 3 powers that clahed that formed the wasteland and maybe add a changing map that evolves with the story as missions with the courior or the charechter in fallout3 and maybe we could add the US goverment but as a weak single provence since the nuking also and problaby add most of the vaults and have +30 fort defence since it is a vault and i would highly recomend adding the lucky 38 to new vegas or as a special building you can build ony as new vegas