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Spy`s Thug Knife
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mishael1 18 Aug, 2015 @ 2:07pm
Stats
Guidline:
Under 5 stats
Keep the idea simple, original, not oviously OP and please not a copy of already existing concept: No life leach, boost or the likes.

Other things to keep in mind:
Backstab damage and regular damage of knifes Never change, backstabs deal X6 current target HP (X2 and a crit) and "butterknifing" is always 40 damage. No exceptions, don't bother messing with those.

Any knife idea needs a "perk" for using it and an apropriate downside. The current "standart downside" is an HP downside, but use other downside as well so long that they don't overlap with the current "unique downsides" of "No disguise kit" and "Knife lost under condition X". Those are already used.

Good luck balancing!
Last edited by mishael1; 18 Aug, 2015 @ 2:13pm
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BETA 18 Aug, 2015 @ 2:09pm 
How about it's a reskin?

I mean this doesn't need any stats.
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mishael1 18 Aug, 2015 @ 2:17pm 
Old idea:
Pros:
    On backstab gain a -50% of base uncloak time on your next uncloak
Cons:
    +50% regular uncloak time

New idea:
Pros
    On backstab gain 3 seconds of 40% damage resistance
Cons
    40% longer weapon switch time
Last edited by mishael1; 19 Aug, 2015 @ 6:36am
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Bonez LFT Adv Spy 18 Aug, 2015 @ 4:29pm 
Pros:

- Each stab makes you go faster, going up to 5 backstabs.
- Every Backstab after that gives you an overheal (Like the Kunai)

Cons:

- Each missed stab makes you bleed
- Everytime you miss a stab you also lose a stab
- Butterknifing people causes you to have mini-crits on you
#3
mishael1 18 Aug, 2015 @ 5:19pm 
Originally posted by Gold:
Pros:

- Each stab makes you go faster, going up to 5 backstabs.
- Every Backstab after that gives you an overheal (Like the Kunai)

Cons:

- Each missed stab makes you bleed
- Everytime you miss a stab you also lose a stab
- Butterknifing people causes you to have mini-crits on you
...Dude. Why do you copy the big earner and kunai instead of making your own idea? Also wonky downsides right there. What is this, a mixture of the boston basher and the ullapool? I don't even...
Last edited by mishael1; 18 Aug, 2015 @ 5:20pm
#4
Bonez LFT Adv Spy 18 Aug, 2015 @ 5:20pm 
Originally posted by mishael1:
Originally posted by Gold:
Pros:

- Each stab makes you go faster, going up to 5 backstabs.
- Every Backstab after that gives you an overheal (Like the Kunai)

Cons:

- Each missed stab makes you bleed
- Everytime you miss a stab you also lose a stab
- Butterknifing people causes you to have mini-crits on you
...Dude. Why do you copy the big earner and kunai instead of making your own idea?
How the hell did I copy the Big Earner and Kunai? I was making it seem like the eyelander and a bit not like the eyelander. But really? The Kunai and Big earner? How?
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mishael1 18 Aug, 2015 @ 5:25pm 
Originally posted by Gold:
Originally posted by mishael1:
...Dude. Why do you copy the big earner and kunai instead of making your own idea?
How the hell did I copy the Big Earner and Kunai? I was making it seem like the eyelander and a bit not like the eyelander. But really? The Kunai and Big earner? How?
Speed boost, overheal. It looks like a wierd, hard to balance, prone to breaking, hybrid of the kunnai and big earner with elements from the eyelender thrown in. Look at the amount of different stats you threw into the mix. 5 stats, and we are talking on spy knife, a weapon that tends to have 3 stats tops. Also look at the edit of my previous reply.
Last edited by mishael1; 18 Aug, 2015 @ 5:25pm
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Bonez LFT Adv Spy 18 Aug, 2015 @ 5:29pm 
Originally posted by mishael1:
Originally posted by Gold:
How the hell did I copy the Big Earner and Kunai? I was making it seem like the eyelander and a bit not like the eyelander. But really? The Kunai and Big earner? How?
Speed boost, overheal. It looks like a wierd, hard to balance, prone to breaking, hybrid of the kunnai and big earner with elements from the eyelender thrown in. Look at the amount of different stats you threw into the mix. 5 stats, and we are talking on spy knife, a weapon that tends to have 3 stats tops. Also look at the edit of my previous reply.

First of all, when I say speed boost, I mean you gain speed, and in no way am I copying the caber..? And I thought for once a spy knife needed a self damage if missed, I'm not even copying any weapon from the game. You just think so cause they have the stat on it. Quit saying I'm copying stuff when I'm not.
#7
mishael1 18 Aug, 2015 @ 5:34pm 
Originally posted by Gold:
Originally posted by mishael1:
Speed boost, overheal. It looks like a wierd, hard to balance, prone to breaking, hybrid of the kunnai and big earner with elements from the eyelender thrown in. Look at the amount of different stats you threw into the mix. 5 stats, and we are talking on spy knife, a weapon that tends to have 3 stats tops. Also look at the edit of my previous reply.

First of all, when I say speed boost, I mean you gain speed, and in no way am I copying the caber..? And I thought for once a spy knife needed a self damage if missed, I'm not even copying any weapon from the game. You just think so cause they have the stat on it. Quit saying I'm copying stuff when I'm not.
Alright, you win, you are not copying.


Still, this weapon is hella funky with 5 mostly unrelated stats.
#8
Bonez LFT Adv Spy 18 Aug, 2015 @ 5:35pm 
Originally posted by mishael1:
Originally posted by Gold:

First of all, when I say speed boost, I mean you gain speed, and in no way am I copying the caber..? And I thought for once a spy knife needed a self damage if missed, I'm not even copying any weapon from the game. You just think so cause they have the stat on it. Quit saying I'm copying stuff when I'm not.
Alright, you win, you are not copying.


Still, this weapon is hella funky with 5 mostly unrelated stats.

Well I mean, tf2 is a funky game. And having a bland knife with 3 stats that don't really do much isn't gonna cut it for me,
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mishael1 18 Aug, 2015 @ 5:38pm 
Originally posted by Gold:
Originally posted by mishael1:
Alright, you win, you are not copying.


Still, this weapon is hella funky with 5 mostly unrelated stats.

Well I mean, tf2 is a funky game. And having a bland knife with 3 stats that don't really do much isn't gonna cut it for me,
Are the kunai, big earner and Your eternal reward bland weapons? Heck no.

And they all have 2-3 stats. I checked.
#10
wanax 18 Aug, 2015 @ 11:57pm 
+Each backstab fills the charge meter (max 5)
+Hold attack to unleash x fast strikes, where x is the number of charges
-25% clock duration
#11
a Bun 19 Aug, 2015 @ 6:08am 
+ on backstab 10% decloak/cloak speed ( 7charges)
+ on hit bleed, on backstab deal 90% dmg of class health and bleed for 30sec
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- missed attacks will remove 1 chrage and bleed you
- 10% longer disguise time
#12
Early Holiday Spud Sack 19 Aug, 2015 @ 6:18am 
Originally posted by Gilboard:
+ on backstab 10% decloak/cloak speed ( 7charges)
+ on hit bleed, on backstab deal 90% dmg of class health and bleed for 30sec
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- missed attacks will remove 1 chrage and bleed you
- 10% longer disguise time
Wasn't one of the rules that you couldn't change backstab damage?
#13
mishael1 19 Aug, 2015 @ 6:20am 
Originally posted by Lord of the Skrubs:
Originally posted by Gilboard:
+ on backstab 10% decloak/cloak speed ( 7charges)
+ on hit bleed, on backstab deal 90% dmg of class health and bleed for 30sec
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- missed attacks will remove 1 chrage and bleed you
- 10% longer disguise time
Wasn't one of the rules that you couldn't change backstab damage?
Yup. You are correct sir. Such an idea would simply not ever become a spy knife idea for that reason.
#14
Early Holiday Spud Sack 19 Aug, 2015 @ 6:21am 
Originally posted by mishael1:
Originally posted by Lord of the Skrubs:
Wasn't one of the rules that you couldn't change backstab damage?
Yup. You are correct sir. Such an idea would simply not ever become a spy knife idea for that reason.
Right. The point of a backstab is to kill instantly, not provide 10 seconds for your target to escape.
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