Team Fortress 2

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Sailing Scout
Tarkus 17. okt. 2015 kl. 7:36
A piece of criticism and my pitiful thoughts about it all
Okay, it seems now that they have overtaken me with an idea of combing the universes of Sailor Moon and Team Fortress 2 together. Now here's what I'd like to say.

First. The creators of this set have either failed in choosing the outfit color palette paricularily, or decided to hold a collective image of the sailor-warriors in the Scout only. It's silly, as I believe that the Scout should be an allusion to either Sailor V or Sailor Moon, because Sailor Mercury (and the color palette here definitely resembles the one of Sailor Mercury) is a completely different character not resembling Scout at all. In other words, it's better to change the colors. What I do approve is that it's partially paintable.

Second. The hairstyle. Oh dear, what is it? If they wanted to make a Sailor warrior they should have probably borrowed some certain style, not Chibi-Usa's cut mixed with Mako's hair color, calling this "Meatball head".

Third. In fact, I am pretty sad about it all. The appearance of these things in the workshop, along with the upcoming Saxxy Awards ensures me that soon there will be a video parody of Sailor Moon.
And for some reason I think these upcoming parodies are not going to be a top-notch video that'd make all the fans cry from happiness. Even worse if it'd be based on SM Crystal. Whereas for the whole last year I have carefully been developing a story for GMod/SFM series that would be the first TF2-parody of Sailor Moon ever. But, due to my lack of any experience in creating such a video, the idea is probably going to be buried. Or maybe my version is going to beat other parodies due to its thorough development, yet it is unlikely to happen in this or the next year. OR I could find a person who suits the "b)" proviso and share my story with him, what is unlikely as well.

So let us wait. Wait and hope that the first video crossover between TF2 and Sailor Moon will be made by a person who: a) is well versed in both universes; b) has experience of creating such a video and a great talent.

Otherwise, in the name of the Moon, I will punish them.
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Tarkus 17. okt. 2015 kl. 7:47 
Just not to make all you people think that I'm a hopeless boy complaining about the others' success.
I admire this work. It's really not bad, as I pointed out the only bad things I see about it above (and that are the color and the haircut). The main thing that somebody has finally transported things from Sailor Moon universe to Team Fortress 2 is amazing. Still I hope it's not going to be a mainstream and there won't be a lot of poorly drawn artworks on it, because the idea of this crossover is really promising.

And if somebody who decided to make a video on it reads this - write me, and I'll share all my ideas about SM/TF2 video with you.
Diokat 17. okt. 2015 kl. 8:13 
go away please
Wiseguy 17. okt. 2015 kl. 10:08 
My thoughts: its ass lmao
Wizrad 17. okt. 2015 kl. 12:05 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Lil' V.:
Just not to make all you people think that I'm a hopeless boy complaining about the others' success.
I admire this work. It's really not bad, as I pointed out the only bad things I see about it above (and that are the color and the haircut). The main thing that somebody has finally transported things from Sailor Moon universe to Team Fortress 2 is amazing. Still I hope it's not going to be a mainstream and there won't be a lot of poorly drawn artworks on it, because the idea of this crossover is really promising.

And if somebody who decided to make a video on it reads this - write me, and I'll share all my ideas about SM/TF2 video with you.

For the new hair, youre asking for a completely new model, which could be seen as too much work. However, the colors should be an easy fix, and I don't understand why it's not already done.
Portabello 17. okt. 2015 kl. 12:17 
its just some comedic costume for scout. its gud.

so stop getting your panties in knots over an idea. :steamsalty:
astrobastard 17. okt. 2015 kl. 12:28 
Yikes
Sidst redigeret af astrobastard; 17. okt. 2015 kl. 12:29
Tarkus 17. okt. 2015 kl. 12:29 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Space Boy McCoi:
For the new hair, youre asking for a completely new model, which could be seen as too much work. However, the colors should be an easy fix, and I don't understand why it's not already done.

Talking about hair - what's done is done, I understrand that. But it's messed up a little, it should have been done in some other way. Not by mixing hair of three different characters.
Trx 17. okt. 2015 kl. 14:31 
What way? Mixing it = dodging IP lawsuits, you're asking for carbon copy of existing characters which is a big no no in modern copyright world...
MetaruPX 17. okt. 2015 kl. 15:07 
If i understood correctly, your complain is that the set, instead of being a direct port of the original character "it should reference", went ahead and just referenced the show altogether by mixing traits of several characters into the mix(along with some cliches from the show). and on top of that, its most likely going to steal your spot as it being "the first sailor moon parody" because it will most likely be part of a parody that has yet to be anounced (but will, because this being on the workshop means there will be a video based on it for the saxxies).

whoa. talk about fanfictions.
Based Bearman 17. okt. 2015 kl. 16:16 
tldr
uberchain 17. okt. 2015 kl. 16:36 
Hi, I'm the concept artist for the Sailing Scout. I wasn't initially going to respond to this because Trx already said the main reason why we can't do the colour scheme (as well as team recognition colour theory). But let me amuse you:

"Meatball Head" for Serena in the DiC English dub of SM was the equivalent to Usagi's "Dumpling" nickname. Usagi had brown hair in the short-lived live action 2001 series when she's in civilian mode. Scout's hair resembles Chibi-Chibi's more than it does Chibiusa's; if you paint it red (reminder that paint is an option) it's basically Chibi-Chibi without the heart-shaped hairbuns. Chibi-Chibi in the manga is Sailor Cosmos, an alternate version of Sailor Moon who's been interpreted as being either a descendant of Usagi or Usagi herself in an alternate universe/distant future. The hair wasn't based off Chibiusa + Makoto, it was a direct parody of Usagi's so - again - we'd be less likely to be shanked by Toei's lawyers.

Real quick: you don't speak for all SM fans when you say if something is based off Crystal it's trash (given aside from painfully low and lazy budget) considering its source material is basically the manga + whatever Takeuchi (who has contributed a large part in the making of Crystal) was unable to do the first time she ran the series/when the 90's anime happened. Many kinds of SM fans exist, and you are not superior to any one of them because you feel you can deliver more justice to a fan-made crossover. That being said, you making the first ever TF2 parody of Sailor Moon (you're not, there's been fanart inspired by SM and videos of magical girl Scout/Heavy transformations long before this set was even conceptualized) doesn't mean anything to anybody if you haven't done it yet.

I would legitimately enjoy seeing an SM/TF2 crossover from you if you're willing to put the labour of love into it. You seem to be very attached to the lore and I want to see you back up your talk if you say your crossover of a really silly FPS game with one of the most influencial, emotional shoujo series of all time will be what SM fans want. What I'm basically saying is - don't let us stop you. If you feel like you can do it better, I say go for it! We'll be releasing the mod versions soon and if you want to reskin some stuff + find better hair, there's nobody stopping you and I wish you luck on your endeavours.

tl;dr: In the name of the Moon chill out it's a halloween costume, keep doing your own thing
Sidst redigeret af uberchain; 17. okt. 2015 kl. 16:37
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Sidst redigeret af haxx64; 18. okt. 2015 kl. 1:26
Tarkus 18. okt. 2015 kl. 9:33 
Oprindeligt skrevet af uberchain | essentials.tf:
Hi, I'm the concept artist for the Sailing Scout. I wasn't initially going to respond to this because Trx already said the main reason why we can't do the colour scheme (as well as team recognition colour theory). But let me amuse you:

"Meatball Head" for Serena in the DiC English dub of SM was the equivalent to Usagi's "Dumpling" nickname. Usagi had brown hair in the short-lived live action 2001 series when she's in civilian mode. Scout's hair resembles Chibi-Chibi's more than it does Chibiusa's; if you paint it red (reminder that paint is an option) it's basically Chibi-Chibi without the heart-shaped hairbuns. Chibi-Chibi in the manga is Sailor Cosmos, an alternate version of Sailor Moon who's been interpreted as being either a descendant of Usagi or Usagi herself in an alternate universe/distant future. The hair wasn't based off Chibiusa + Makoto, it was a direct parody of Usagi's so - again - we'd be less likely to be shanked by Toei's lawyers.

Real quick: you don't speak for all SM fans when you say if something is based off Crystal it's trash (given aside from painfully low and lazy budget) considering its source material is basically the manga + whatever Takeuchi (who has contributed a large part in the making of Crystal) was unable to do the first time she ran the series/when the 90's anime happened. Many kinds of SM fans exist, and you are not superior to any one of them because you feel you can deliver more justice to a fan-made crossover. That being said, you making the first ever TF2 parody of Sailor Moon (you're not, there's been fanart inspired by SM and videos of magical girl Scout/Heavy transformations long before this set was even conceptualized) doesn't mean anything to anybody if you haven't done it yet.

I would legitimately enjoy seeing an SM/TF2 crossover from you if you're willing to put the labour of love into it. You seem to be very attached to the lore and I want to see you back up your talk if you say your crossover of a really silly FPS game with one of the most influencial, emotional shoujo series of all time will be what SM fans want. What I'm basically saying is - don't let us stop you. If you feel like you can do it better, I say go for it! We'll be releasing the mod versions soon and if you want to reskin some stuff + find better hair, there's nobody stopping you and I wish you luck on your endeavours.

tl;dr: In the name of the Moon chill out it's a halloween costume, keep doing your own thing

Well... That is what I wanted to get as a reply. Actually, I just wanted to make sure if the creator knows the subject well, and now I'm more than satisfied at this point.

Then. Copyright problems are true, I haven't thought about it at first. Still, couldn't you make the Trademark Odangos just as a parody? There are a lot of stuff in TF2 that clearly resembles some things created by other people, often under a trademark, and to this moment not a single company has complained about it. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Next, I'm not saying I can do better, I already said it's an amazing work, that could have been way worse! Look at me first commentary here: "as I pointed out the only bad things I see about it above (and those are the color and the haircut)". And that means all the other points about this costume are ok. Generally, it's really qualitative.

What worries me is the upcoming things... Well, this crossover should have been made sooner or later anyway, but I'm just afraid of probable poor-quality implementation. You should understand me as you, again, seem to know the universe perfectly. This is just the only place I could share my concern about it.
dark hardy boys tribute (Udelukket) 18. okt. 2015 kl. 13:04 
Agreed.
Blonde scout or riot.
uberchain 18. okt. 2015 kl. 16:08 
Oprindeligt skrevet af World Salesman:
Agreed.
Blonde scout or riot.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Lil' V.:
I'm just afraid of probable poor-quality implementation. You should understand me as you, again, seem to know the universe perfectly. This is just the only place I could share my concern about it.

If you mean in terms of making a crossover: probably poor-quality implementation is completely to be expected whenever something goes public. Nintendo fans have to deal day in and day out with crap like that all the time: Racist Mario is one of the most popular spoof parodies of Mario when it's obvious that the people who made it don't know enough ♥♥♥♥ about Mario, other than the characters & their roles at a surface level. Everything is fair game - if somebody makes a crossover that is a faithful tribute to the series, fantastic. If somebody makes a ridiculous parody that shows they only know Sailor Moon from reference only, that is what it is and you need to accept that it's beyond your control.

Addressing the Meatball Head: the odango will probably stay as it is due to maximum tri count and the legal domain. The changes were for the sake of the latter not being tread upon too much. (See: Star Guardian Lux from League of Legends, The Price Is Right's Sailor Moon parody for how they referenced SM but avoided the copyright.) If there needs to be an additional excuse for it: IRL, hair buns like that need a ridiculous amount of hairgel or a chignon maker, not to mention you also need to account for the rest of your hair. To combat these boring realism aspects, we've focused emphasis on the spiral curl pigtails instead and made them bouncy. Hopefully it was worth the weight.
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