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Beyond Typus 11.5
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Draíocht  [developer] 26 Oct, 2018 @ 3:40pm
Development Changes vs. Vanilla
This is a list of independent tags whose total development has been (intentionally) changed, contrary to the normal BT procedure of matching vanilla tags' total dev (x2 since 10.0).

This is as much a note to self as anything, but I don't object to comments or feedback here.
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Draíocht  [developer] 26 Oct, 2018 @ 3:41pm 
(Note I'm slowly rebalancing things after dev doubling, so this list is incomplete and a work in progress for the moment.)

Some key points to keep in mind:
  • Again, all development in Beyond Typus is doubled and its effects halved. All numbers and calculations assume exactly vanilla x2 as base.

  • Do note my repeated use of "independent" tags. Non-tributary subjects regularly exchange development with their overlords & fellow subjects under the same overlord.

  • Development balance by area, by region, or by continent is neither practical, feasible, nor desirable, and development can move drastically within a tag in some cases.

  • This development balancing is exclusively for the 1444 start. While there are many provinces with increases or decreases to development based on major events in history, these changes are by-province and no attempt is made to balance development by tags in different start dates.



Tags Receiving Large Boosts (More Than +33%)
  • Papal States (+202 / +125%, to 364) -Though -17 / -10% in directly owned provinces
    -The most powerful spiritual organisation in the world and one of the largest secular polities in the world, as well, with comperable population & wealth to Portgual (242 dev), Poland (440 dev), England (666 dev), or the Kalmar Union (712 dev). So this nations should have some decent development, ri -162 dev? Seriously Paradox? I love you guys, but seriously?)

  • Teutonic Order (+129 / +67%, to 323) - Though 61 of the 129 increase is in new vassals
    -It is my considered position that the Teutonic Order was dramatically undervalued in vanilla. It was the dominant power in the eastern Baltics and contained 5 of the 5 largest cities in what is now Poland, a majority of its fortified settlements and castles, and was generally extremely important.

  • Livonian Order (+77 / +67%, to 193) -Though -13 / -11% in directly owned provinces
    -Like the Teutonic Order, the Livonian Order was much richer, more populated, and more organised that the paltry development assigned in vanilla portrays. It contained many important Hanseatic cities and though largely rural, was still much more populated that physically larger neighbours like Sweden at the time. Note that indepedent Riga from vanilla, presumably representing the City of Riga? is in BT a vassal of the Livonian Order, representing the Archbishopric of Riga.

  • Byzantium (+77 / +94%, to 159) -Though only +43 / +50% in directly owned provinces
    -Increase mostly a result of the frankly shameful state of vanilla Balkans. In order to get a decent level of detail and quality, 5 vanilla provinces turned into about 25 in BT, and we don't want all 1/1/1s. Balancing this is a WiP.

  • Milan: (+68 / +40%, to 238)
    -A major power nestled in probably the richest, most advanced little corner of the world at the time. Dev ≠ population, but is dev = abstracted wealth and importance, few places deserve a boost more.

  • Oman: (+46 / +215%, to 86)
    -I felt a couple Arabian tags were somewhat off, as far as their development goes.

  • Yeman: (+34 / +65%, to 86)
    -I felt a couple Arabian tags were somewhat off, as far as their development goes. Note the Aden tag is not present in BT, but Vanilla Aden+Yemen is 82 dev, only 4 lower than BT's Yemen.

  • Haasa: (+25 / +67%, to 63)
    -I felt a couple Arabian tags were somewhat off, as far as their development goes.

  • Mecklenburg: (+23 / +67%, to 55)
    -Mecklenburg, with only 32 dev, it wedged between numerous larger neighbours and is protrayed as a virtual OPM in vanilla, but it was actually one of the strongest and more united duchies, and home to some of the largest cities in northern Germany, so I'm giving it a modest boost. Do note that technically, Rostock is the largest and it would not own Rostock proper until a bit after our start, but this is a small compromise.




Tags Receiving Medium Boosts (+20% to +33%)
  • Lithuania (+110 / +20%, to 646) -Note Poland loses -110
    -Lithuania was about x2 by population and x5 by area the size of Poland by most estimates, and not really much poorer, but Poland established the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as a senior partner due to its comparatively superior organisation, centralisation, administration, as well as due to the fact than the majority of Lithuania lands were devastated by Steppe raids and wars. So in BT Poland loses a quarter of its 440 dev, all of it added to Lithuania's 536, but Poland's land is all stated, higher dev, & very low autonomy, while Lithuania will struggle to state half its mostly low dev land, and much of it starts at very high autonomy or in vassals.

  • Venice (+107 / +33%, to 431)
    -A major power that went toe to toe, often with success, against the most powerful entity of the time (Ottomans). Though I'd be lying if I said this wasn't a little bit about game balance and allowing all the tiny little enclaves, as well.

  • Ifriqiya (+40 / +20%, to 242)
    -Both Ifriqiyah and Tlemcen receive a sizable boost, mostly just to give enough dev to allow all the new provinces. Though North Africa was not that poor, either, so a boost isn't absurd.

  • Genoa (+37 / +25%, to 187)
    -Most of the increased development goes to enclaves in the east which vanilla chooses not to represent, including the very wealthy Famagusta.

  • Florence (+37 / +33%, to 151)
    -Should be obvious... If there was a single "star" of the mid 15th century in the entire world, it would have been Florence. This was the golden age of the great city-state, and it deserves a decent boost.

  • Tlemcen (+25 / +25%, to 127)
    -Both Ifriqiyah and Tlemcen receive a sizable boost, mostly just to give enough dev to allow all the new provinces. Though North Africa was not that poor, either, so a boost isn't absurd.

  • Cologne (+16 /+30%, to 70)
    -A medium local power and one of the largest and richest cities in the HRE for most of our period.




Tags Receiving Small Boosts (Less than +20%)
  • Aragon (+57 / +10%, to 629)
    -Most of the justification here is to allow Aragon's largest personal Union, Naples, a decent amount of development. Though poorer than the rest of Italy, Naples still a very important power and Vanilla's 182 dev (barely above Norway, half Poland, though both nations had less wealth and population) just doesn't represent that. It should be noted that the development in Aragon proper is actually lower, losing some of its own dev to get Naples to 340, as well as having several other new PUs.

  • Burgundy (+30 /+5%, to 636)
    -Most of the increase here is in the Low Countries. Flanders was really the only place in the world that could compared to Northern Italy's prosperity at this time, and I felt the dev there was rather low.

  • Savoy (+16 / +10%, to 182)
    -I could try to justify this... but I'd be lying. This is really just about adding so many provinces in order to represent the complicated politics in NW Italy, that we need a dev boost for Savoy, who ends up owning many of them in 1444.

  • Silesia (+7 / +10%, to 83)
    -Silesia is a problem area... very HRE-style complicated, but at the fringes of the HRE area. Giving a modest boost until reoverhaul cleans up the situation a bit.




Tags Receiving Small Nerfs (Less than -20%)
  • Pommerania (-8 / -10%, to 68)
    -Not quite as rich in 1444 as it later became, so lowering early dev.




Tags Receiving Medium Nerfs (-20% to -33%)
  • Poland (-110 / 25%, to 330) -Note Lithuania gains +110
    -Lithuania was about x2 by population and x5 by area the size of Poland by most estimates, and not really much poorer, but Poland established the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as a senior partner due to its comparatively superior organisation, centralisation, administration, as well as due to the fact than the majority of Lithuania lands were devastated by Steppe raids and wars. So in BT Poland loses a quarter of its 440 dev, all of it added to Lithuania's 536, but Poland's land is all stated, higher dev, & very low autonomy, while Lithuania will struggle to state half its mostly low dev land, and much of it starts at very high autonomy or in vassals.

  • Denmark (-72 / -10%, to 644)
    -Denmark, or more accurately, the Kalmar Union, represents the largest European nation geographically since the Roman Empire, but despite this massive size, its population was comperable to (or smaller than) Portugal, its largest cities were barely towns, and its massive breadth virtually completely empty. While Scandinavia, and Sweden especially, managed to grow impressively over the course of our period, in 1444 it most certainly does not derserve the staggeringly high (4th in the world) dev it is given. For the moment, it is modestly reduced.

    Specifically, the individual components of the Kalmar Union are changed as follows:
    Denmark (overlord): -77 / -30%, to 179
    Sweden+Finland: -24 / -10%, to 214
    Norway: -25 / -15%, to 143
    Holstein (& Schleswig): +54 / +129%, to 96
    Iceland: 0 / 0%, to 12

  • Bavaria (-40 / -33%, to 76)
    -Between BT breaking up some of Vanilla's over-unified de jure tags, and Bavaria's golden age not having arrived yet, I felt a substantial 116 dev in 1444 wasn't really called for.

  • Rassids (-8 / -20%, to 32)
    -Notes.




Tags Receiving Large Nerfs (More than than -33%)
  • Aden (-0/ -100%, to 0)
    -Beyond Typus does not currently use the Aden tag.

Last edited by Draíocht; 12 Jun, 2019 @ 7:44pm
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Draíocht  [developer] 26 Oct, 2018 @ 3:41pm 
50 Largest Nations in 1444 by Dev

As above, note that all development numbers are "dev doubled" & all vassals and non-tributary subjects are included within their overlord's development.

1) Vanilla dev is only shown if BT has increased or decreased it, and it is given "dev doubled", id est, exactly x2

Place Nation BT Dev Vanilla¹ Change 1) Ming 2202 2) Timurids 814 3) Mamluks 768 4) Ashikaga (Japan) 702 5) France 694 6) England 666 7) Lithuania 646 536 +110 (+20%) 8) Denmark 644 704 -72 (-10%) 9) Ottomans 638 10) Burgundy 636 606 +30 (+5%) 11) Aragon 629 612 +17 (+2.5%) 12) Moscovy 560 13) Venice 553 324 +107 (+33%) 14) Castile 486 540 Unintentional, will fix soon 15) Vijayanagar 538 16) Jaunpur 434 17) Hungary 420 18) Bahmanis 430 19) Qara Qoyunlu 378 20) Papal States 364 186 +202 (+125%) 21) Bengal 354 22) Uzbek 340 23) Delhi 338 23) Austria 330 23) Poland 330 440 -110 (-25%) 25) Teu Order 323 194 +129 (+67%) 26) Morocco 316 27) Ifriqiyah 268 222 +46 (+20%) 28) Portugal 262 28) Novgorod 262 30) Great Horde 262 31) Korea 260 32) Milan 238 170 +68 (+40%) 33) Oirat 236 34) Ajam 228 35) Bohemia 218 35) Kazan 218 37) Sirhind 210 38) Malawa 204 39) Livonian Order 193 116 +77 (+67%) 41) Provence (Anjou) 192 42) Jianzhou 188 42) Ethiopia 188 44) Genoa 187 150 +37 (+25%) 45) Nogai 184 46) Brittany 183 110 +73 (+67%) 47) Ayutthaya 182 47) Mali 182 49) Gujarat 174 50) Scotland 170 51) Khmer 170 52) Chagatai 166 53) Savoy 166 54) Majapahit 164 55) Lan Xang 164 56) Byzantium 159 104 +55 (+53%) Will likely lower 57) Dai Viet 158 58) Kongo 158 59) Florence 151 114 +37 (+33%) 60) Crimea 146 X) Orissa 142 X) Pasai 132 X) Mewar 130 X) Haixi 128 X) Brunei 128 X) Tlemcen 127 116 +11 (+10%) X) Yeren 126 X) Ava 124 X) Kilwa 120 X) Brandenburg 114 X) Aq Qoyunlu 110 X) Switzerland 100 X) Bavaria ??? 116
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Draíocht  [developer] 26 Oct, 2018 @ 3:41pm 
Reserved.
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