Originally posted by Fury6:

This is clearly something going wrong at your end.

If you copied the layouts into your profile while the game was still running then that's likely going to have been what was causing the first problem. Either way you have that settled now.

Game was closed (not running), but as you said whatever the reason it happened it's fixed.

Originally posted by Fury6:

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For the next issue - you're using the wrong layout file for the gearbox you have installed in the truck. That's why you're seeing the ratio jumps and not reaching the last two gears.

You shouldn't be using the layouts suffixed '(h)' for the Eaton boxes, as per the discussion page. Those layouts are for the Maxitorque boxes. They were initially intended for the Eaton boxes as well but I decided against it to keep the Eatons compatible with the game's own 18 speed layout.

To be clear, the layouts you should be using for the Eaton boxes are labelled *in-game* as "Eaton-Fuller Super 13" and "Eaton-Fuller Super 18". ALL four layouts have the extra gears implemented, just by two different methods.

Humble suggestion: Maybe it's better they are renamed Maxitorque then?

Originally posted by Fury6:

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Your last statement confuses me... you can't do anything about ratios in the layout files, you can only specify a particular gear from the gearbox definition. The gear ratios can only be defined in the gearbox file, not the layout file.

Not really all that confusing, I made new gearbox files for new layouts to work with them.

Originally posted by Fury6:

In order to remain layout compatible with the game's own 18 speed layout (so as not to force people to use my layout for the Eaton boxes), I decided against adding the extra gears in the gearboxes themselves and instead opted to repeat the low range gear(s) into the extra gear slot in the layout. That's why the extra gear in the 13 speed is not splittable as it is for the real box - since the low-side gears don't have a split ratio gearset.

In that regard, people who get your boxes ought to know what they're getting into (provided layouts are properly named for their specific boxes, in my opinion).

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Fair enough, no clue as to why it wouldn't work properly then. All good either way.

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Historical precedence. The Maxitorques were a *much* later addition to this mod. Originally the Eaton boxes were going to be updated to include the actual extra gears, so I worked up those layouts to suit. THEN I decided to add the Maxitorque boxes to this mod for the Macks, rather than put together a new mod for them (not the greatest decision). THEN I decided not to update this mod to the extra gear setup after all and release a separate mod for that instead.

The correct layouts are well enough (I think) documented in the discussion for the extra gears as linked on the description page and they're optional in anycase - these gearboxes (excepting the Maxitorques) will work just fine with the game's vanilla Eaton layouts - you just won't get the extra gear(s).

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Well, you had been talking about editing/creating *layout* files, not gearbox files IIRC... Hence the confusion. In anycase it's really not at all important and I don't even know now why I felt it necessary to bother bringing it up, heh.

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I don't agree. I didn't want to drag people, who'd been using this mod for *years* just the way it was, into a more complicated than necessary arrangement.

Instead I decided to keep the mod compatible with the vanilla Eaton layouts and release a new mod with the extra gears properly defined in the gearboxes. Of course that didn't happen (or hasn't *yet* happened) but that's just how things turned out.

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Also, I want to apologise for this - "This is clearly something going wrong at your end." I posted in a bit of a rush and on returning to see your post I can see that it appears a little... confrontational. My error.

Originally posted by Fury6:

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Fair enough, no clue as to why it wouldn't work properly then. All good either way.

^^ Simulators being simulators, not 100% to working order at times :)

Originally posted by Fury6:

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Historical precedence. The Maxitorques were a *much* later addition to this mod. Originally the Eaton boxes were going to be updated to include the actual extra gears, so I worked up those layouts to suit. THEN I decided to add the Maxitorque boxes to this mod for the Macks, rather than put together a new mod for them (not the greatest decision). THEN I decided not to update this mod to the extra gear setup after all and release a separate mod for that instead.

The correct layouts are well enough (I think) documented in the discussion for the extra gears as linked on the description page and they're optional in anycase - these gearboxes (excepting the Maxitorques) will work just fine with the game's vanilla Eaton layouts - you just won't get the extra gear(s).

Yeah the boxes and layouts themselves are good enough as is for what they do, nothing against that, sure enough I have dabbled in boxes and layouts but I didn't mean to say that your stuff is bad or anything like that.
In fact far from it, your work inspired me.

Originally posted by Fury6:

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Well, you had been talking about editing/creating *layout* files, not gearbox files IIRC... Hence the confusion. In anycase it's really not at all important and I don't even know now why I felt it necessary to bother bringing it up, heh.

Yeah that's more or less my bad for being not all too detailed in my descriptions.

Originally posted by Fury6:

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I don't agree. I didn't want to drag people, who'd been using this mod for *years* just the way it was, into a more complicated than necessary arrangement.

If we all agreed it would be a boring world ^^
I don't think it would have dragged anyone into anything more complicated than what they were already used to with manual boxes (18 gears and all, enough to confused most).

Originally posted by Fury6:

Instead I decided to keep the mod compatible with the vanilla Eaton layouts and release a new mod with the extra gears properly defined in the gearboxes. Of course that didn't happen (or hasn't *yet* happened) but that's just how things turned out.

Understandable, and honestly if I had the time right now, I would have helped you out, I was able to do my own hidden gear 13spd and 18spd.
To my knowledge the Hidden gear only works with splitter back and range selector up, ratio-wise it's in between 4 (13spd) or 4H (18spd) and 5L (13 & 18spd).
There is/was a video of an Australian doing it with an 18spd, he only did it with Splitter in Back/Lo position.
So I'd basically make a new gear with the ratio gap between 4/4H and 5L split in half with gearbox in position 2, Splitter Selector value = 0 & Range Selector value = 1 (I think those were the values) much the same you did in your gearboxes & layouts.

I think it can still be done with a small modification to your existing 13 & 18spd's because you already have the gear entries there.

Originally posted by Fury6:

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Also, I want to apologise for this - "This is clearly something going wrong at your end." I posted in a bit of a rush and on returning to see your post I can see that it appears a little... confrontational. My error.

No no no, we're all good, as you can see I'm not without vices either, and I eventually figured you came across "confrontational" without deliberation.
Also I was the one who came in not fully armed with the information I should have had.
Apologies for anything I may have said or implied on the same note, we good? :)

We good, no worries :).