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[Archived] Competitive-Bots+ : Survivor Edition
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The reacting from the Bots to me
Omixsat was not answer me and thats why i just post this Video to show all why i don't like the actions they to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7RZ2SvtSK0
I hope you enjoy it
Last edited by SaintsTufan; 2 Aug, 2016 @ 10:26am
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Omixsat  [developer] 2 Aug, 2016 @ 6:02am 
Looks like you didn't understand my instructions or that you practically ignored what I wrote to you. Not a big deal though since you probably misinterpreted what I have said and the possibility that you don't really follow basic instructions as I have written earlier but since you finally posted the video then its all good.

As you can actually see in that video they do react promptly and try to save you when you're pinned. As per your highlights in that video you fast forward to the parts where they seem like they don't react properly.

Question portion:

1) In panic events as shown in the video, why do you separate yourself even further from the team? Is that how you call team play?

2) At 6:41 bots decide on which target to shoot at but cases where they need to shove all those commons surrounding them yet they don't though that issue is prevalent on vanilla it has been minimized with this mod. Now how would you say the bots are worse than stock/vanilla?

3) At 7:55 and then at 8:50. The boomer was ignored at first then afterwards was properly dealt with. Why would you call it an issue if the bots focused on aggressive targets first or those that pose a huge threat currently in their situation?

4) At 11:20 it seems one of the bots almost fell due to the smoker. Oddly enough the smoker reacted quickly(by default it should take 2 secs before the smoker entangles his victim not at an instant) as with the other SI as well. Then at 11:30 coach is confused at which target to focus at in which it causes the bot to stay still. There are cases where that happens in vanilla in which you may have to assist all of them in thinking properly. Knowing that the bots can be confused it doesn't mean that overall they don't perform well. How would you say that moment screwed you over when you clearly had the chance to help the bot out and proceed afterwards?

5) At 14:35 what does it say in the dev console?
SaintsTufan 2 Aug, 2016 @ 10:25am 
Its take some time untill i can answer the questions.
Like 4-11 days. Im bad in english and won't stay the whole time here and try to under stand this :p
But i try to help and answer it, we hear us soon
SaintsTufan 2 Aug, 2016 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by Omixsat:
At 14:35 what does it say in the dev console?
I wish i could turn the time back, sorry that i can't tell you it but i can try to simulate it again.
And i didnt even know that +CB write on console.
SaintsTufan 2 Aug, 2016 @ 10:50am 
Originally posted by Omixsat:
1) In panic events as shown in the video, why do you separate yourself even further from the team? Is that how you call team play?

I never stay near a bot while a horde/mob comes because i think they gonna run in my fire line.
Also i stand on a place's where i can good see the zombies and shoot them, i don't like when a Zombie comes from a corner while im reloading.
SaintsTufan 2 Aug, 2016 @ 1:34pm 
Originally posted by Omixsat:
3) At 7:55 and then at 8:50. The boomer was ignored at first then afterwards was properly dealt with. Why would you call it an issue if the bots focused on aggressive targets first or those that pose a huge threat currently in their situation?
em who said that i call this bad? just want to show that sneaky boomer :3
SaintsTufan 2 Aug, 2016 @ 1:43pm 
Originally posted by Omixsat:

4) At 11:20 it seems one of the bots almost fell due to the smoker. Oddly enough the smoker reacted quickly(by default it should take 2 secs before the smoker entangles his victim not at an instant) as with the other SI as well. Then at 11:30 coach is confused at which target to focus at in which it causes the bot to stay still. There are cases where that happens in vanilla in which you may have to assist all of them in thinking properly. Knowing that the bots can be confused it doesn't mean that overall they don't perform well. How would you say that moment screwed you over when you clearly had the chance to help the bot out and proceed afterwards?

(i may not read right the question)
i dont like to scratch coachs ass and helping him but i let him for this attacked by the infected to show this, maybe i need to defend a other spot and coach lets him attacked.
Then what should i do if im busy? Anyways is 12 secounds nothing doing too long, exept that knock bag.
SaintsTufan 2 Aug, 2016 @ 1:54pm 
Originally posted by Omixsat:
2) At 6:41 bots decide on which target to shoot at but cases where they need to shove all those commons surrounding them yet they don't though that issue is prevalent on vanilla it has been minimized with this mod. Now how would you say the bots are worse than stock/vanilla?
I tryed to understand that and traslated it but its says only trash but i think you mean that this better is that the bots kills the zombies they attacking other survivors as need longer to shoot the other zombies around them, anyways i said so bad was this not i could help ellis
Eririri 2 Aug, 2016 @ 2:18pm 
Originally posted by SaintsTufan:
Originally posted by Omixsat:
1) In panic events as shown in the video, why do you separate yourself even further from the team? Is that how you call team play?

I never stay near a bot while a horde/mob comes because i think they gonna run in my fire line.
Also i stand on a place's where i can good see the zombies and shoot them, i don't like when a Zombie comes from a corner while im reloading.


Then it seems to me that it's not Omixsat's mod that's the problem. It's your way of playing. As a team, you are supposed to stay close with a bot in order for them to work efficiently. Actually, that applies in general regardless whether or not you are playing with a bot or a person. The reason as to why that works is because the game does want to improve the players' teamwork. You can't leave them behind just over the reason that they might be on your fire line. If that is your problem, might as well not play with any bots because it seems to me that the mod isn't wrong or all the more not play the game at all. The idea of you having to deal with bots is a nuisance to you. Might as well stop playing the game and look for another game that doesn't require teamwork in order to work efficiently.
Last edited by Eririri; 2 Aug, 2016 @ 2:43pm
SaintsTufan 2 Aug, 2016 @ 2:36pm 
differently that the bots come to me or i go to the players
Omixsat  [developer] 2 Aug, 2016 @ 6:47pm 
Originally posted by SaintsTufan:
Originally posted by Omixsat:
At 14:35 what does it say in the dev console?
I wish i could turn the time back, sorry that i can't tell you it but i can try to simulate it again.
And i didnt even know that +CB write on console.

I asked you that question since sv_cheats is enabled you might have made a key binding that toggles sb_stop in order to stop the bots from reacting cause it's practically impossible for the bots to STOP all of a sudden unless you are out of the nav mesh boundaries and they will decide on what to do afterwards. This is an odd occurence that happened recently for you and plainly forgetting the output on the dev console would mean that you're hiding something from me.

Now I'll ask you again: What did it print in the developer console?

If you do not recall at all or you don't want to recall then it just simply means that you don't care as long as you deliver your point and that is being you trying to tarnish the reputation the mod has earned itself.

Originally posted by SaintsTufan:
Originally posted by Omixsat:
3) At 7:55 and then at 8:50. The boomer was ignored at first then afterwards was properly dealt with. Why would you call it an issue if the bots focused on aggressive targets first or those that pose a huge threat currently in their situation?
em who said that i call this bad? just want to show that sneaky boomer :3

Let's bring back what you wrote in the comments as reference:

Originally posted by SaintsTufan:
"staying in your fire line Simulator 2007.
They are dumber then the origin bots"

You don't need to zoom in just to show the boomer at that part. Anyone can simply view/check what is happening in the game world just by watching closely. Zooming in towards the boomer just means that you have an intended goal to show something to everyone.


Originally posted by SaintsTufan:

(i may not read right the question)
i dont like to scratch coachs ass and helping him but i let him for this attacked by the infected to show this, maybe i need to defend a other spot and coach lets him attacked.
Then what should i do if im busy? Anyways is 12 secounds nothing doing too long, exept that knock bag.

At that given moment no zombie was attacking you. You can't say that you needed to defend another spot cause that area was almost cleared of hostiles and only a handful remain. 12 seconds of you just watching the bot is very long for an average player to realize that he/she needs to assist the bot when no other zombie was targeting him/her. At the same time the sb_stop possibility applies as stated earlier.

Edit: Also to add to the previous statement... I am also wondering why none of the other bots bothered to help. It's as if they were ordered to stop as well.
Last edited by Omixsat; 3 Aug, 2016 @ 2:05am
SaintsTufan 3 Aug, 2016 @ 5:42am 
I didnt know that there is a command called sb_stop but i think this addon takes a bit control over your mod... let me test this and i say it you fastes as i can, but by left 4 dead 2 got broked newly... http://prnt.sc/c136o6
Omixsat  [developer] 3 Aug, 2016 @ 6:21am 
How could you not know about sb_stop if you are familiar with console commands and even using the admin system?

You are able to play L4D2 by the time you recorded and sent a video about the mod. So how all of a sudden did you break your own installation?

fair warning: If you continue to make excuses rather than answering the question, this thread will be locked.

Edit: RIP English/Revisions made on errors
Last edited by Omixsat; 3 Aug, 2016 @ 7:24pm
SaintsTufan 3 Aug, 2016 @ 6:36am 
Originally posted by Omixsat:

You are able to play L4D2 by the time you recorded and sent a video about the mod. So how all of a sudden did you brake your own installation?
I installed some addons that replace common infected but then i just got error about mdl. problems when ever i start dead center, i also use left 4 gore because its forbitten in germany to publish it as l4d2 owner, and i think custom gore + custom common infected is not great anymore. I also get just now left4dead2.exe has stopped worked or what ever its on english
SaintsTufan 3 Aug, 2016 @ 6:40am 
and can i know what questions left is? or just delete this thread and i look what i do wrong alone.
Last edited by SaintsTufan; 3 Aug, 2016 @ 11:06pm
SaintsTufan 7 Aug, 2016 @ 3:49am 
Ok you just can delete this thread, without trust cant you help my anyways. I just playing now with players on expert
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