Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

Better Borders (DISCONTINUED)
Gardist  [developer] 22 Jul, 2016 @ 11:39am
Ideas
Is there anything you want to see here? Any ideas for border changes or new states? This is the place to say it. :mkb:
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apache 22 Jul, 2016 @ 2:11pm 
I think consolidating the states in Transylvania might make Hungary look nicer in the different outcomes of the Second Vienna award, as well as keep Romania from utterly collasping industrially in the circumstance that it gives up all of Transylvania. Banat should be merged into Crisana and renamed West Transylvania whilst Muntenia, Oltenia, and Moldavia should be split into more states: You could create a new province for Constanta along the Danube, seperating it from Wallachia. Muntenia could then be split in half in a similar style to Bulgaria's 3-province split. Then a new province could be made from a West-to-East diagonal cut of Moldavia.

In France, theres a thin strip of land by Catalonia that should be its own state with a Spanish claim.
Norway's northernmost province could be split at the Finnish border, that way to make a nicer looking divisions of Scandinavia.
In Sweden you should create states for Jamtland and the strip of land on Western coast that used to be part of Norway (I forgot the area's name), both of these should have Norwegian claims.
The thin stretch of Austrian land on the Austro-Hungarian border could be turned into Bürgenland, which would have a Hungarian core.

Alot of provinces/countries could use more cores/claims:
Hungary:
Claims; All Slovakia that isn't cored, Croatia, and Dalmatia.
Cores; Southern Slovakia, Carpathia Ruthenia, Transylvania (all provinces in it), and Burgenland if added.
Bulgaria:
Claims; Constanta if added, Istanbul, Moravia, and Eastern Macedonia.
Cores; Macedonia, Thrace, and Dubrodja.
Austria
Claims; all of their former empire minus Serbia.
Cores; South Tirol.
Slovakia:
Cores; all of Slovakia.
Claims; Carpathian Ruthenia because Slovakia looks like a shriveled sperm without it.
Spain:
Cores; Gibraltar and the Catalan province if added.
Claims; Philipines, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic.
Gardist  [developer] 22 Jul, 2016 @ 2:41pm 
Originally posted by Apache14 ☭Катюша☭:
I think consolidating the states in Transylvania might make Hungary look nicer in the different outcomes of the Second Vienna award, as well as keep Romania from utterly collasping industrially in the circumstance that it gives up all of Transylvania. Banat should be merged into Crisana and renamed West Transylvania whilst Muntenia, Oltenia, and Moldavia should be split into more states: You could create a new province for Constanta along the Danube, seperating it from Wallachia. Muntenia could then be split in half in a similar style to Bulgaria's 3-province split. Then a new province could be made from a West-to-East diagonal cut of Moldavia.

In France, theres a thin strip of land by Catalonia that should be its own state with a Spanish claim.
Norway's northernmost province could be split at the Finnish border, that way to make a nicer looking divisions of Scandinavia.
In Sweden you should create states for Jamtland and the strip of land on Western coast that used to be part of Norway (I forgot the area's name), both of these should have Norwegian claims.
The thin stretch of Austrian land on the Austro-Hungarian border could be turned into Bürgenland, which would have a Hungarian core.

Alot of provinces/countries could use more cores/claims:
Hungary:
Claims; All Slovakia that isn't cored, Croatia, and Dalmatia.
Cores; Southern Slovakia, Carpathia Ruthenia, Transylvania (all provinces in it), and Burgenland if added.
Bulgaria:
Claims; Constanta if added, Istanbul, Moravia, and Eastern Macedonia.
Cores; Macedonia, Thrace, and Dubrodja.
Austria
Claims; all of their former empire minus Serbia.
Cores; South Tirol.
Slovakia:
Cores; all of Slovakia.
Claims; Carpathian Ruthenia because Slovakia looks like a shriveled sperm without it.
Spain:
Cores; Gibraltar and the Catalan province if added.
Claims; Philipines, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic.

Romania: Well, it's late and I don't really have Romanias map in my head rn so I can't tell you my opinion yet.
Btw: I've never heard of ''Constanta''

France: You are probably talking about Roussillon aka Catalogne du Nord. This idea is great and I will look if it's possible.

Norway: Yes, Nord-Norge is indeed too big

Sweden: I will look this up




Hungary: I agree with the cores but I don't think they should claim Croatia

Bulgaria: completely agreed (besides Istanbul)

Austria: They won't claim their whole empire. This would be historically inaccurate. Sudetenland, Istria and Slovenia maybe.

Slovakia: Agreed

Spain: Gibraltar and northern Catalonia yes.

:chasseur:
Last edited by Gardist; 26 Jul, 2016 @ 11:59am
alrightcool 27 Jul, 2016 @ 2:36pm 
Change the national focuses for Italy and Germany that concern Yugoslavia (Mainly just concerning Slovenia as it is now 2 states)

Germany should probably get claims on its old African possessions.
Greece should probably get claims on all of eastern Anatolia and maybe Cyprus too
Maybe also give Saudi Arabia cores on all Arab territories
Possible Mexican claims on Texas but that might be too extreme
British Raj should get claims on Goa and French India
Same goes for possible Haitian claims on Dominican Republic
Mongolian claims on Mengkukuo and Suiyan and Ningxia.
Also maybe fiddle about with Wilno state and create a new smaller state around the city itself and Give Lithuania cores on that
Perhaps also give BOTH Croatia and Serbia a core/claim on Bosnia, aswell as one for Croatia on Zara

If you're in for creating more countries, i would suggest Montenegro, Scotland, Wales, Quebec, Kurdistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia, Burma (could be a British puppet), Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia and the various central Asian -stans

Gardist  [developer] 27 Jul, 2016 @ 4:31pm 
Originally posted by alrightcool:
Change the national focuses for Italy and Germany that concern Yugoslavia (Mainly just concerning Slovenia as it is now 2 states)

Germany should probably get claims on its old African possessions.
Greece should probably get claims on all of eastern Anatolia and maybe Cyprus too
Maybe also give Saudi Arabia cores on all Arab territories
Possible Mexican claims on Texas but that might be too extreme
British Raj should get claims on Goa and French India
Same goes for possible Haitian claims on Dominican Republic
Mongolian claims on Mengkukuo and Suiyan and Ningxia.
Also maybe fiddle about with Wilno state and create a new smaller state around the city itself and Give Lithuania cores on that
Perhaps also give BOTH Croatia and Serbia a core/claim on Bosnia, aswell as one for Croatia on Zara

If you're in for creating more countries, i would suggest Montenegro, Scotland, Wales, Quebec, Kurdistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia, Burma (could be a British puppet), Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia and the various central Asian -stans

I've read your ideas carefully and here are my answers:

-National Focuses:
This mod is for changes on the map (borders, provinces and so on) and that's all. I don't have the experience or knowledge for this nor do I want to expand the mod beyond its actual goal.

-German claims on Africa:
I see your point and also thought of this myself but I decided not to do it because after WW1 and Hitlers rising to power, colonies were not really in the focus of Germany. It concentrated more on the battlefield in Europe (for ''Lebensraum'') and I think the AI should try the same.
I may look for this though because I built the old colonies as new provinces already.

-Greece:
Claims on Cyprus are a very good idea and claims for former Ionia could also be a possibility. Maybe I'll even create a province so Greece can claim the turkish west coast. Could lead to some interesting scenarios.

-Arab claims/cores:
already did arab cores on Kuwait, Abu Dhabi and Qatar but I won't touch Yemen or Oman.

-Mexico:
Interesting and extreme indeed. Maybe something for the future as it is not completely unhistorical, especially if Mexico would become fascist or join the Axis.

-British Raj:
No, for the simple reason that they are a puppet of Great Britian which is bros with France and Portugal. Would be highly inaccurate.

-Haiti:
They are way too poor to have claims at all imo. Btw Haiti is french and DOM republic is spanish so they don't really have a reason to claim each other. (They have spanish claims though)

-Mongolia
I don't know anything about Mongolia but they are in Commintern while Menguko is most of the time Axis or atleast fascist so I will remember this idea.

-Wilno:
I could do that but the problem is that it would conflict with one of my favourite mods called ''extended countries'' who does exactly that. But I will look what I can do

-Bosnia:
Will probably do it.

-Zara:
Already done in the 1.3.0 version

I don't know if I'm ever going to create new countries. Maybe yes, maybe no.
If you wann have new countries check out ''Extended countres mod''. (yes, ''countres'') From your list it includes Scotland, Wales, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and various central asian countries.
There is also a mod which adds Kurdistan.
A nice mod for adding Quebec is ''Better Canada''.
If you want Indonesia, look for ''Independant Indonesia''

Bye and thx for the suggestions :BalkanCross:
Redjak 28 Jul, 2016 @ 3:08pm 
I've been going through and making mods similar to this, but you've made more progress and are probably better than me. I had noticed that the states of mainland Australia were messed up and corrected them myself (while keeping the Outback a wasteland).

If this is a change that you'd also like to make to your mod, I wouldn't mind you using the files in the mod I uploaded aptly named "Australian States Fix." :steamhappy:
Hopefully this would save you some time!
Gardist  [developer] 30 Jul, 2016 @ 4:02am 
Originally posted by RedJackOfClubs:
I've been going through and making mods similar to this, but you've made more progress and are probably better than me. I had noticed that the states of mainland Australia were messed up and corrected them myself (while keeping the Outback a wasteland).

If this is a change that you'd also like to make to your mod, I wouldn't mind you using the files in the mod I uploaded aptly named "Australian States Fix." :steamhappy:
Hopefully this would save you some time!

I will take a look at Australia.

Do you mean impassable terrain when you mean Wasteland?
Redjak 30 Jul, 2016 @ 11:31am 
Originally posted by BlueStorm GER:
Originally posted by RedJackOfClubs:
I've been going through and making mods similar to this, but you've made more progress and are probably better than me. I had noticed that the states of mainland Australia were messed up and corrected them myself (while keeping the Outback a wasteland).

If this is a change that you'd also like to make to your mod, I wouldn't mind you using the files in the mod I uploaded aptly named "Australian States Fix." :steamhappy:
Hopefully this would save you some time!

I will take a look at Australia.

Do you mean impassable terrain when you mean Wasteland?
The "state category" that dictates how many build slots it has is "Wasteland" (by default for Central Australia) to represent the desert. It has a default of zero build slots I believe.

I also noticed that the state "Northern Territory" is a wasteland as well, but I don't know how accurate that is.
Last edited by Redjak; 30 Jul, 2016 @ 11:32am
Gardist  [developer] 30 Jul, 2016 @ 12:21pm 
Originally posted by RedJackOfClubs:
Originally posted by BlueStorm GER:

I will take a look at Australia.

Do you mean impassable terrain when you mean Wasteland?
The "state category" that dictates how many build slots it has is "Wasteland" (by default for Central Australia) to represent the desert. It has a default of zero build slots I believe.

I also noticed that the state "Northern Territory" is a wasteland as well, but I don't know how accurate that is.

Ah, alright you mean the state_category. I know that but I never knew what it actually was for xD.

I don't know much about Australia though but I could imagine it pretty empty up there.
Last edited by Gardist; 30 Jul, 2016 @ 12:22pm
1 Even 30 Jul, 2016 @ 12:37pm 
Reshuffling the internals of Hungary might make sense; most of the eastern state was claimed and occupied by Romania in 1919 but not the little bit which attaches to Transdanubia ingame. Good for playing as an irridentist Romania anyhow.

Mengkukuo should have claims or cores on Mongolia and vice versa. 'Mengukuo' literally means something like 'Mongol State' so it only makes sense. Tibet should also have a claim or two on Xibei San Ma, since they did indeed claim and sometimes control that territory in this era. Likewise Xibei San Ma should have a core or two on southern Sinkiang, since they controlled that area for a long while.

The single oddly shaped province belonging to Slovenia should be its own micro-territory with a Hungarian core.

Soviet Central Asia could be reshaped, either to make room for historical Chinese claims, or for borders which mirror either the SSR's borders, or pre-Soviet states like Bukhara. Whichever way would be useful if the Soviets lose the area, and also it just looks better.

Austria could do with claims or cores on Sudetenland, parts of Italy and maybe Slovenia. The Germans could also use a claim on the same part of Italy if that doesn't mess with the AI too much.

East Prussia needs to be split in two or three. The southern portion should have a Polish claim; this area was subject to a plebiscite between Germany and Poland in the 20s. This also allows the Soviets to have a historical Kalningrad Oblast if they want.

Ecuador, Brazil, Colombia, and Peru all had competing claims on the area that they all touch. Historically they went to war over it several times. This should be represented, if only roughly.

Bolivia should have a core on some of Chile, as even to this day they still haven't accepted being landlocked.

There is room for claims with the British colonies in the Americas. Canada historically wanted, well, all of them. Mexico could do with a core on Belize (?). Also, some of the countries neighboring British Guyana never accepted that border, so there is room for something there.

Poland and the Soviets should both have cores or claims on all bordering provinces. They both got way less than they wanted in the wars between them following the Russian Revolution.


Aland was contested between Sweden and Finland.


The Raj could have a claim on Bhutan, since it was basically part of their system for a long time. Ditto some of the British stuff in Arabia.

Afghanistan could claim parts of Pakistan, being that the modern state hasn't really settled on their definition of the border yet, and those areas are culturally similar.

The French and Turkish had a border dispute which could be modelled.

Some of the provinces owned by Saudi Arabia were actually controlled by Britain at the time.

The Soviets should have claims on Turkey and Iran since they represent Armenian and Azerbaijani interests, both of which are huge minorities in those countries.

Turkey and Greece should have various cores on eachother.

Ireland should have a core on Northern Ireland.

Norway should have a core on Greenland; they actually claimed it for a long time.

There are a lot of tiny pacific islands claimed by multiple countries, including Mexico, the US, New Zealand, Britain, France, Japan, and probably Portugal. This might be representable.

Thailand expanded quite a bit under Japanese guidance, they could use cores on those areas.

Palestine should be multiple states.

The Sudan-Egypt border should be shown. Same with French colonies.

Yunnan Clique controlled areas which are controlled by China historically, so they should get claims there.

Just for fun, claims belonging to Japan, America, Britain, Austria, and just about everyone else could semi-historically be added to Beijin province.
GBer15 24 Sep, 2016 @ 11:22pm 
Some border changes I personally would like to see are a split Switzerland since this mod doesn't work with the mod of the same name. A Northern Dobruja AKA Constanta and some Albanian cores in Yugoslavia and Greece such as Kosovo and the westernmost region of central Macedonia with an Albanian majority.
Philstip 29 Jan, 2017 @ 7:41am 
Ich würde gerne ein paar veränderungen im nahen osten sehen damit man das osmanische reich nacherstellen kann (sieh dir am besten alte Karten dafür an . ausserdem würde ich gerne noch die deutschen kolonialgebite im pazifikraum sehen wie nordpapua , Tsintau , marshalinseln etc.
Last edited by Philstip; 29 Jan, 2017 @ 7:48am
Cash 15 Feb, 2017 @ 7:24pm 
First of all, I really like this mod, it helps much with recreating the German Empire or putting Germany in its todays borders.

One problem I see happens by adding all these cores right at the start of the game. It creates some weirdness regarding relations. Many central european nations hate each other from the beginning, because they have cores in each others territory.

My suggestion would be to bind the coring to events or focuses, i.e. Germany getting claim/core on Danzig and Posen when "Reassert Eastern Claims" is finished, Germany gains core on Alsace, when "War with France" is finished, Hungary gets core on Transylvania, when the "Second Vienna Award" event fires and so on.

Also, you might wanna take a look at the "Yalta Conference" event (germany.118 or 119 I think) because it ♥♥♥♥♥ up many claims and borders in peace conference.

Anyway, keep up the good work! (:
Gardist  [developer] 16 Feb, 2017 @ 9:15am 
Originally posted by FreshCash:
First of all, I really like this mod, it helps much with recreating the German Empire or putting Germany in its todays borders.

One problem I see happens by adding all these cores right at the start of the game. It creates some weirdness regarding relations. Many central european nations hate each other from the beginning, because they have cores in each others territory.

My suggestion would be to bind the coring to events or focuses, i.e. Germany getting claim/core on Danzig and Posen when "Reassert Eastern Claims" is finished, Germany gains core on Alsace, when "War with France" is finished, Hungary gets core on Transylvania, when the "Second Vienna Award" event fires and so on.

Also, you might wanna take a look at the "Yalta Conference" event (germany.118 or 119 I think) because it ♥♥♥♥♥ up many claims and borders in peace conference.

Anyway, keep up the good work! (:

Having relations changed by cores or claims is actually smth I want to have. Countries should have changed relations because of cores and claims from the beginning since this always had impacts on relations historically.
Another thing is that having these from the beginning allows the player to expand easier by being able to get war justifications more quickly which can change the course of a playthrough. (not much ofc but a bit)

Yea, ofc I could change events or focus trees but I don't wanna do it cuz it would make my mod incompatible with more mods and I want my mod to be as compatible as possible.
It should basically just be a little mod improving the map in the background while other larger mods do the ''heavy work''.

Tbh I didn't know about the Yalta conference event but I will look at it xd
Last edited by Gardist; 16 Feb, 2017 @ 9:17am
drewbdu 15 Mar, 2017 @ 7:59pm 
I'd propose adding states in NE France to allow for better looking post-War borders with a victorious Germany. The "Zone of German Settlement" which existed under the German military occupation would mark a realistic boundary between post-War Vichy France and Germany.
Darraghmc15 25 Jun, 2017 @ 1:09pm 
One Border change I'd recommend is the splitting of Dalmatia into Rijeka/Fiume in the north and Dalmatia in the south to allow for a better "Greater Hungary" and for irrendist Italy. I would give both Italy and Hungary cores here.
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