firing speed increased, damage decreased, and loud backstabs but maybe backstabs can give crits for other weapons. I dunno really

+perhaps when it hits/kills enough player's it give's you a crit bar and when its full it gives you cirts for say 5 to 6 sconds but while cirts are active it gives off a musical tone

- you get no random cirts
- you cant go invisble when the crits are active
- and when you backstab someone it gives a loud random musical tone

im pretty sure everything believe's this is the weaponize verson of a toning forck so i thought i give it states that would probably work with said toning forck

i dont see it working due to alot of loud nosies or maybe there wont be a depending if we choses not to add the said noices to the hits of the spy uses and maybe leave them to when the crits are active and when the spy gets a backstab who knows.

Oh boy, here come some more stats...

(+) On hit - Slows target by 20% for 2 seconds.
(+/-) 20% of damage is absorbed by cloak meter (lose 1/5th cloak on hit, even when cloaked).
(-) Loud musical noise on backstab.

Basically a knife for beginners that can save you if you mess up. The only problem is your cloak can run out pretty quickly and the knife draws attention to you on backstab (like the Spy-cicle).

And please, criticism is needed.

heres some more thoughts

+On backstab - instantly cloak for up to 6 seconds.
-On backstab - Musical sound around the same noise level as dead ringer
-When airblasted, you lose your instant cloak until death or resupply

Works on all watches

thoughts?

pretty neat actually

but how about your cloak depletes faster or something along the lines of that?

my stats for the song knife: stuns sentries for 5 seconds for every stab(but engies can reduce it to 2 seconds with a single wrench hit), can't backstab engies, does -34% damage to sentries, when the user dies(when equipped) has a small to medium blast radius doing small damage and stuns enemies for 7.5 seconds, make a loud noise when making a non-backstab attack, and makes a quiet chime sound after a sucessful backstab.

Originally posted by knightbob7:

my stats for the song knife: stuns sentries for 5 seconds for every stab(but engies can reduce it to 2 seconds with a single wrench hit), can't backstab engies, does -34% damage to sentries, when the user dies(when equipped) has a small to medium blast radius doing small damage and stuns enemies for 7.5 seconds, make a loud noise when making a non-backstab attack, and makes a quiet chime sound after a sucessful backstab.

That doesn't sound (no pun intended) like it would work very well; the Spy undisguises if he attacks, so stabbing a sentry would not be as powerful as simply sapping it. The explosion on death is pretty interesting, but I think 7.5 seconds might be a bit too long. Maybe just 4?

Instead of killing enemies, backstabs cause the target to be RECONDITOOOOOOOONED!!!!!

so kinda like messing up there controls?
that would be very neato actually

Right click pulls enemy with a projectile(same speed as a missle)
pull equal to a pyro air blast
the projectile does 35 damage
recharges every 3 sec
-no revolver

I think this knife looks like the eye lander slightly, so:

• -30 start health (95hp)
  
• every backstab gives one back (i don't know what to call it other than a back)
  
• +15 health and +4% move speed per back
  
• max backs of 5

The only problem is that a fast spy is very overpowered.

Originally posted by Wait! Don't Shoot!:

I think this knife looks like the eye lander slightly, so:

• -30 start health (95hp)
  
• every backstab gives one back (i don't know what to call it other than a back)
  
• +15 health and +4% move speed per back
  
• max backs of 5

The only problem is that a fast spy is very overpowered.

4% of max speed so first time+6.8% max speed the engine rounds up so+7% more speed on back stab so 7x5=over all+35% more over all speed maby instead +2% more speed so its only +19% max speed?

Originally posted by CyberInsaneoHD:

Instead of killing enemies, backstabs cause the target to be RECONDITOOOOOOOONED!!!!!

Random crits are UNACCEPTABLLLLLLLLLE!!!!!

This lil' baby will sing a song for you....
But it will be your last.

• 15% faster melee swinging speed
  
• Stun time halved, including Razorback Weapon usage stun
  
• -10% damage (except for backstabs)
  
• On Backstab: Loud(louder than a Ringer decloak) Voiceclip plays for 2,5 seconds.
  (High-pitched Medic's "This is Unacceptable!")

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The pros are good, but trust me, you are gonna wish that knife to just shut the hell up one day.