Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

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bperhinet 13 Mar, 2020 @ 9:29pm
This mod has many historical faults
First off, the leadership of many of the countries. France at this point would be under Napoleon VI, Napoleon IV died in the 1879. Alexander IV of Russia isn't real, his real name was Alexis and would have likely died to his Haemophilia, leaving it to Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich as Michael II. Spain wouldn't have Alfonso XIII as the king, in the Napoleonic Wars, the bourbon dynasty of Spain was over thrown and replaced by Napoleon I's brother who rained as Joseph I.

Second off, many of the countries wouldn't exist. Germany would likely never be formed as a united German state would be a threat to France, so the Confederation of the Rhine would be the ruling government of the area of germany. Italy was a country during the Napoleonic Wars, but only controlled the north while a independent Kingdom of Two Siciles ruled in the south. Poland didn't exist as Poland but as the Duchy of Warsaw. The Magyar Empire makes no sense as France wouldn't like there historical ally of Austria to lose it's territory and make a rival nation. British India wouldn't exist for why would the french want the British to be Emperor of India, it would make more sense for Napoleon to declare himself Emperor of India.

Last but not least, the territories of some of these nations are either wrong or just stupid. Why doesn't the United States control Louisiana, Napoleon sold it to the Americans long after King Louis XVI was executed. Why does the Chinese Empire control South East Russia, they lost that territory cause of how weak the Chinese military was.
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Jan 26 Mar, 2020 @ 10:42am 
i would like to point out that it is an alternate history mod., which means that it can't have historical faults as we don't know how history would've played out if Napoleon won the Napoleonic Wars.
This is just a scenario that the creator of the mod made.
soupman1826 28 Mar, 2020 @ 8:53am 
So much of what you said isn't true
France and Austria are not historical friends, they're mortal enemies, there's a reason that in Europa Universalis (another Paradox game) that they're the only two nations that can't be allies,
Italy wasn't close to united, only the south under the kingdom of the two cilies was, Papal states as still independent, as was genoa, duchy of milan, mantua, republic of venice and then a large amount of Northern Italy was owned by Austria,
Do you actually think the British would cede India to the French? Under what threat, the British domination of the sees mean the French could never land a single troop in England or India, one of the things I actually disagree with in the mods history is that Napoleon lands an army in Ireland which there's no way he could possibly do since the Royal Navy would destroy it.
Lastly, Napoleon sold Louisiana to the United States to finance an invasion (that never took place) of England, if he's somehow gained a foothold in Ireland, he could have easily decided there was no point in selling Louisiana
General Runtime  [developer] 28 Mar, 2020 @ 8:57am 
Louisiana has no affiliation to the French Empire, it's basically a government in exile for the Bourbons that never got the opportunity to retake France
bperhinet 29 Apr, 2020 @ 4:01pm 
Originally posted by soupman1826:
So much of what you said isn't true
France and Austria are not historical friends, they're mortal enemies, there's a reason that in Europa Universalis (another Paradox game) that they're the only two nations that can't be allies,
Italy wasn't close to united, only the south under the kingdom of the two cilies was, Papal states as still independent, as was genoa, duchy of milan, mantua, republic of venice and then a large amount of Northern Italy was owned by Austria,
Do you actually think the British would cede India to the French? Under what threat, the British domination of the sees mean the French could never land a single troop in England or India, one of the things I actually disagree with in the mods history is that Napoleon lands an army in Ireland which there's no way he could possibly do since the Royal Navy would destroy it.
Lastly, Napoleon sold Louisiana to the United States to finance an invasion (that never took place) of England, if he's somehow gained a foothold in Ireland, he could have easily decided there was no point in selling Louisiana
I have recently read this and I will say, I like that you did bring these things up, but lets read the things you told me were wrong in my statement.

While yes, France and Austria aren't allowed to ally in Europa Universalis, This doesn't mean they weren't allies. During the War of the Fifth Coalition, the Austrian Empire was turned into a Client state of the French Empire, so while they weren't allies in the traditional sense, they became allies in the form of puppet state.

The things you mentioned with Italy was a mix between what happened before and after the First French Empire, northern Italy was under a nation called the Kingdom of Italy and was a personal union with the French Empire as Emperor Napoleon I was also the King of Italy. The Papal States were annexed in May of 1809, as relations between the Empire and the Church deteriorated, with the Kingdom of Italy gaining the states of Ancona, Macerata, Fermo, and Urbino. Southern Italy wasn't united under the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, which was formed AFTER napoleon was defeated as the Kingdom of Sicily was independent and the mainland was under the Kingdom of Naples. Many of those small city states existed after the war and the Austrian lands in northern Italy were won after the war.

While it is true I do not see the British just giving up India, they didn't technically own India. From 1757-1858, the British East India Company ruled much of the India, while the rest of it was ruled by the Mughal Empire, which the EIC would force to collapse and be divided into several smaller prince states. If Napoleon won the wars, it would be likely the french would cease the lands that the EIC controlled, as they weren't a part of the British Empire.

And finally, yes, Louisiana was sold to fund an invasion that never happened, but it still was sold. Even with a foothold in Ireland, the Louisiana Purchase happened in 1803-1804, long before an invasion of Ireland would have taken place.

I do respect the fact that you did bring up this argument, it brought to my attention that what I did say here was wrong, so I appreciate everything that you said.
Conscript 24 May, 2020 @ 1:57am 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor,_Prince_Napol%C3%A9on

This is Napoleon V. He was the successor of the Prince Napoleon Bonaparte in Westphalia and Napoleon IV, the cousin of Napoleon III.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis,_Prince_Napol%C3%A9on

This is Napoleon VI, the successor of Napoleon V after he died.

Even though it has some historical context, I'd like to point out that this mod is "Alternate-History", a "What if". And that "What if" is the "What if Napoleon won the Napoleonic Wars?". It could've gone through different ways, but the developers have chosen this path with Alexander IV, Alfonso XIII and Germany being split.

Keep in mind, this is the closest we can get to a perfect "What if Napoleon won the Napoleonic Wars" apart of the "Vive L'empire" (another mod with this "What if" that isn't updated).
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