Originally posted by Caesar:

Originally posted by robilar5500:

"Are you guys waiting for the inevitable patches or just using the issues that stemmed from the performance update as further excuse to freak out over no titties and child mutilation and desecration of corpses?"

That's not a sincere question but rather a low effort insult & you know that yourself.

I will not even bother commenting on all the other stuff you've said, because you did not bother to read/reply to the actual things that have been said but instead you twist things around to fit your own narrative.

I hope you're not a true representation of this groups community.

Take care.

We do prefer facts over emotions, and we do prefer that contributors act in an honest and transparent fashion. I feel like that is obvious. If you decide to start acting in that manner, you too could be strongly representative of this group. If instead you take offense at questions designed to reveal the truth that is otherwise absent, then I can see how you might be bothered by this.

But, just as a recap, this post began by stating they weren't going to post the devs announcement. Then, you tried to tie performance issues and optimization decisions to censorship. You're also upset that they made adjustments to the game based on feedback they received which didn't match your own expectations, such as gun steadiness. It was also confirmed that in no way have you actually been censored and that outside of Mother $ony, nobody has been guilty of censorship. We have anecdotally confirmed that you believe you should be able to make decisions for the developers and went on rage rants in an attempt to do so. We've confirmed that the developers have been open and transparent every step of the way, have been actively patching their game since it released, and are directly engaged in their game's future. We've confirmed that they are in no way bad behaving devs, they haven't stifled your ability to rant and rave on their forum and have been pretty graceful every step of the way. It doesn't appear that they've stolen assets or manipulated reviews.

This thread really doesn't belong here. It's here but hurt feelings isn't really grounds for posting on SotS.

Alright fellas. I'm gonna let you continue to foam at the mouth in peace. Have a great one!

Originally posted by Caesar:

Originally posted by robilar5500:

The OPs points are that she feels a certain way.

At this point, the OP has only confirmed that the devs made the three changes they said they were going to make on the PC version, and that their latest update also caused some optimization/performance issues.

If that's what you got out of this, then you did not read/comprehend properly.

Originally posted by robilar5500:

The game itself seems to be the same outside of a few animations and costumes

It's not the same.
They changed the entire environmental story-telling.

Originally posted by robilar5500:

Unless you're also referencing actions taken before this, it looks like they did only change the three things they mentioned for PC players.

Not sure why you keep saying "only 3 things" by the way, like I said they completely altered the entire environmental story-telling/lore.

Originally posted by robilar5500:

they only altered the exact things they said they were going to change on PC

Not really.
They downgraded the graphics too, for example.

Originally posted by robilar5500:

And you're waiting for the inevitable patches based on their history which includes 45 patches so far?

We don't even know if those "inevitable patches" (as you label them) will come out at all.
So far, they have not kept up with earlier promises (of fixing stuff that's been broken for ages).

I read what you guys had to say and I've gone through the game's forum as well. What I see are a couple people who have decided to come here, try to provide only one side of a story as the OP did. In fact, I had to actually post the developer's comments myself. You have attempted to link two separate issues after your outrage over covering up some titties, not depicting children in distress in the way you like, and being unable to desecrate corpses was largely met with silence. In fact, on several threads there, you guys tried to represent console only changes as having also been PC changes, knowing full well they weren't.

We also have already established that the update broke some things. That is a separate issue, and their patch history demonstrates that they are always working on the game and will at some point have addressed the issues they can fix; and their open communication/complete transparency suggests that if something can't be fixed, they'll mention that as well. Their speed in fixing issues not matching your expectations is of no consequence.

At every step on that game's forum, you all have continually moved the goalposts of what you are outraged over, lol. And much of that was before the update actually dropped. The mob kept foaming at the mouth more and more and more, which was kind of embarrassing to see. Credit to the devs that they allow you to fill their forum with blatant misinformation and misrepresentation despite it having a negative impact on them. They've clearly taken the high road.

You have shown yourselves to be bad faith actors here as well, bringing your bias towards these devs to this group. Hyperbole is not grounds for anything, and that is largely what the two of you are relying on.

Obey the Fist, who posted above, in his own Steam life is very biased towards different types of games and developers, but you never see that bias crossover into this group. In fact, he is arguably one of the least biased contributors here despite his own preferences elsewhere. Which is 100% respectable. You could take a lesson from him.

I also note you still refuse to answer my question. Until you do so, there can't be any further discourse since I'm unwilling to entertain your bias, which my question directly addresses. Change my mind by answering the question.

"Are you guys waiting for the inevitable patches or just using the issues that stemmed from the performance update as further excuse to freak out over no titties and child mutilation and desecration of corpses?"

Cheers!

Originally posted by Caesar:

Originally posted by robilar5500:

So you're saying the creators will potentially not realize the hopes of some of the fans, and that equates to censorship? To my knowledge, they created the content and are entitled to alter the content they created as they see fit. That isn't quite the same as censorship. You could accuse Mother $ony of attempting to censor their game, but the devs themselves are adjusting their content of their own volition, and in no way is this depriving you of information or art. There is a distinction.

DEVs said themselves they are not happy with the changes but they had no other choice.
Therefore yes, this is straight up censorship & not a change of "artistic-direction" or however you wanna call it.

By the way, not sure what you're even doing here (I did read through the whole thread & you come off very unsympathetic).

Originally posted by robilar5500:

.... as further excuse to freak out over no titties and child mutilation and desecration of corpses?

You cleary didn't even try to understand OPs points/arguments, otherwise you would not resort to such low comments.

I fully support @OP & everything that has been said there/by him.

The OPs points are that she feels a certain way. And if you read everything, you'd know that feelings and sympathy aren't significant when you're attempting to rally this group.

At this point, the OP has only confirmed that the devs made the three changes they said they were going to make on the PC version, and that their latest update also caused some optimization/performance issues.

You can act as like the OP, or you can bring facts to the table that the OP has demonstrated an unwillingness to do herself. The choice is of course yours.

Feel free to answer the question the OP refuses to answer herself.

Originally posted by MrRober95:

Originally posted by robilar5500:

I asked a valid question, based both on your comments here and on the overall state of the forum over there. If you feel shame, that's on you.

Originally posted by robilar5500:

Or are you guys freaking out about no more titties and child mutilation, and piling on with the mob mentality I'm witnessing over there?

Yep, you are one hell of a neutral reporter. Not trying to reduce the complains of the people to a strawman. "If you complain about censorship is because porn, not because it impacts how the story is told or how it shows how dark the world can be."

Originally posted by robilar5500:

But I'll ask again: are you guys waiting for the inevitable patches or just using the issues that stemmed from the performance update as further excuse to freak out over no titties and child mutilation and desecration of corpses?

Here you go again with the shaming tactic and lowering of the issue to comic standard.
I already answered you, but you don't read: I want to tell people to not trust Void.
And us players?? Yes, we would very much like the censorship to be removed but would like even more the other whole 'downgrade of the game' to be reverted, and because the devs said they will fix it it doesn't mean it is true, giving their history of lies. Hope it is true and do fix it.

Originally posted by robilar5500:

Btw, there are more than a couple comments in the forum that say the performance is better. When there is such variance in performance, it's usually an issue with GPU compatibility not having been updated properly by the devs, eh?

......Performance is better..... Because graphics are worse. 2+2 = ?

I'm going to take your refusal to answer the question twice now and your desire to feign outrage at the question as an admission of guilt. Let me know if you change your mind.

Originally posted by MrRober95:

Originally posted by robilar5500:

And you're waiting for the inevitable patches based on their history which includes 45 patches so far? Or are you guys freaking out about no more titties and child mutilation, and piling on with the mob mentality I'm witnessing over there? I've read through the forum at this point, btw.

Ah, I knew you were fishing to be able to drop the shaming tactic. Good one, but it is overused and doesn't make anything I said false.

I asked a valid question, based both on your comments here and on the overall state of the forum over there. If you feel shame, that's on you. Otherwise, don't be hesitant to be completely transparent, something that was lacking even in your original post.

I don't really have a dog in the fight, but I do prefer honesty over hyperbole. And what you've been offering so far leans towards hyperbole. But I'll ask again: are you guys waiting for the inevitable patches or just using the issues that stemmed from the performance update as further excuse to freak out over no titties and child mutilation and desecration of corpses?

Btw, there are more than a couple comments in the forum that say the performance is better. When there is such variance in performance, it's usually an issue with GPU compatibility not having been updated properly by the devs, eh?

Originally posted by MrRober95:

Originally posted by robilar5500:

So, you're saying something in the code got messed up with the new performance update, correct?

Have you tested all of this yourself?

Myself and all the people complaining in the forums and Reddit about it.

And you're waiting for the inevitable patches based on their history which includes 45 patches so far? Or are you guys freaking out about no more titties and child mutilation, and piling on with the mob mentality I'm witnessing over there? I've read through the forum at this point, btw.

Originally posted by MrRober95:

Originally posted by robilar5500:

Unless you're also referencing actions taken before this, it looks like they did only change the three things they mentioned for PC players. The console version has other changes that I'd imagine were required, but apparently, they only altered the exact things they said they were going to change on PC. Which I read as removing nudity, toning down depictions of child violence, and removing the ability for players to desecrate corpses. Other changes in that update were done to further optimize the game and enhance performance, and weren't related to ESRB requirements on console. Correct?

Originally posted by MrRober95:

July 15th. Console release and censorship update. Turns out censorship was the least of the problems and many unnaounced changes came. Developers promised better performance, difficulty modes... And they delivered, badly.
Downgraded graphics on par with the console ones, tools that worked before like tear gas made useless, guns with recoil requiring you to aim with care now dumbed down to a CoD style, new bugs and of course tons of old ones still present, AI broken more than it already was taking away from the fun of the game...

So, you're saying something in the code got messed up with the new performance update, correct?

Have you tested all of this yourself?

Unless you're also referencing actions taken before this, it looks like they did only change the three things they mentioned for PC players. The console version has other changes that I'd imagine were required, but apparently, they only altered the exact things they said they were going to change on PC. Which I read as removing nudity, toning down depictions of child violence, and removing the ability for players to desecrate corpses. Other changes in that update were done to further optimize the game and enhance performance, and weren't related to ESRB requirements on console. Correct?

So you're saying the creators will potentially not realize the hopes of some of the fans, and that equates to censorship? To my knowledge, they created the content and are entitled to alter the content they created as they see fit. That isn't quite the same as censorship. You could accuse Mother $ony of attempting to censor their game, but the devs themselves are adjusting their content of their own volition, and in no way is this depriving you of information or art. There is a distinction.

How this really reads to me is that people are tossing the word 'censorship' around whenever they simply don't like the direction a studio is going in with their game. And that discontent is perfectly fine, if a bit silly from my perspective. But it is certainly in no way impeding your free speech nor your ability to play the game.

Games do often deviate from their initial goals, especially when they're more or less live services or MMOs. Just as opinions change over time. With over 200 hours of playtime already, this game has clearly been well worth whatever you paid for it.

I guess what I'm now wondering is, what is the intent of this thread? Because the devs don't seem to be behaving badly, they don't seem to be hiding anything, they seem to be extremely communicative. They are active and seem to love the game they created. They clearly have provided good value for their game based on average playtimes, and although their userbase isn't huge, it hasn't dropped significantly even with people being upset that some titties were covered up and you no longer get to look at a dead child. Most games drop way more than 50% of their player base after just a month or two. The devs continue adding new content while also looking for ways to increase the player base. So, what is the actual intent of this thread?

I was already aware of this statement, but full disclosure is important in these conversations. I personally think they did an excellent job of being transparent and proactive about the changes they were going to make and why those changes were being made.

The question I'd ask is how this is going to actually affect your enjoyment of the game? The game itself seems to be the same outside of a few animations and costumes, and they're actually adding new content as well. Plus, the playerbase will be increased, which seems like a good thing. Their all-time concurrent high was around 60k players. It'll probably double being crossplay. Which also will give the dev team more flexibility in both supporting the game and adding new content in the future.