Originally posted by MangAnimE H ★ S:

One on my LAN, so yes to both :D

Here's a command you can input to the console (without the "quotes"):
"sm_cvar sv_cheats 1; tf_mvm_tank_kill; sm_cvar sv_cheats 0"
This will flicker sv_cheats on, kill the tank and then switch it off. This means you will destroy the tank without anyone cheating.
Remember to use a ;semicolon; and then a space to input multiple commands.

On what server? And do you own it or administrate it?

Originally posted by AbsoluteZeroExtabyte:

yea i know, but at least he is a bit slower when his gun is reved up, the resistance might need some nerfing, the movement speed need to match the speed when the gun is reved up (54.5 HU/s), and the Warrior's Spirit feels like it needs some proper stats.

It's like swapping out the Giant Heavy's minigun with a Brass Beast and then just tweak it a few times to a tone that is not very different but has some difference. It's not very likely for such a giant to be added. But, then again, I do not have the power to approve ideas. May your creativity inspire STT, possibly.

Originally posted by AbsoluteZeroExtabyte:

not sure if you like this idea, but tell me what you think about it Banshee, I'm just a guy with ideas, you don't need to add him if you don't want to.

Gaint Brass Beast Heavy:
The stronger version of the Giant Heavy family, this Giant is also the most fearful of them all, but slower when he revs his main gun. Talk about the slowest of them all, he even more vunerable to snipers and spy's, but the amont of firepower can take down any human that gets in his way. Who needs a bomb tank when you got this tank.

-Heath: 15,000 (nerf the health if you want, I don't care)
-Movement speed: 115 HU/s (reved down) 54.5 HU/s (reved up)

Brass Beast:
-70% damage bonus (if this seems too much firepower, go ahead and nerf it)
-15% faster movement speed while deplayed (i am not that good with numbers, but try to match the speed when the gun is reved up)
-40% resistance when spun up (this might need to be nerfed)
-no random crits

Warrior's Spirit:
-normal stats (i don't know what to put for stats for GBBH, you can keep the way it is if you want)


Some stats might need a fix or two, but i like to see what you think about him.

Seems like the Giant Heavy, only pumped with twice the power. May seem... "annoying" to some players. I'm not being mean, but this idea, I know, has at least a bit of effort put into it. But Banshee stated that giant robots can't be too silimar. But we all know server owners with this plugin can add it as they please.

Originally posted by Randy:

I never once suggested that you guys patch the bug. I suggested that you make it a rule to not exploit things like this. You've made it clear that won't happen which I think is a poor decision but it's not my community so I'm not going to sulk about it. Now that I know your position when it comes to exploits I'm not going to avoid using them. I don't plan on griefing but if something can be abused to make a win more likely I will be doing it.
As the community grows the necessity for rules forbidding this type of thing will also grow. I hope I'm still around when you inevitably have to draw a line between what is and isn't okay

Might as well put this discussion aside, Randy. At least you showed some concern about this exploit.

Originally posted by Banshee:

Originally posted by Randy:

it almost seems like you're saying that you have no issue with people abusing exploits

so any of these are okay to abuse simply because they're Valve problems? https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Exploits

It's more that STT has literally nothing to do with the exploit in question, and the "problem" is incredibly minor, and thus not really of our concern. It's unrealistic to expect us to go around patching bugs in the main game like this, considering we've already got plenty of STT specific problems to worry about. Not to mention any time we spend fixing Valve problems could end up being wasted if / when Valve eventually patches the issue themselves.

Banshee does have a good point here. Personally, if you keep doing it, Randy, then why even bother complaining about the bug in general? I've given you alot of solutions and yet you don't accept them because it is "mandatory" (not actually required) to do so, just to make plans. That's fine, but that means making a risk of being harvested for points. If I was you, I wouldn't shove my face into a gate just to taunt and look what is behind the scenes and then get dosed with jarate, milk and get incinerated. VALVᴱ is probably not going to get around this gate problem anytime soon anyway. So, tough luck.

Originally posted by Randy:

Personally I do it so I can see where the opposite team is set up. When you taunt near the gates you can see things that would not otherwise be visible to you then plan your route accordingly.

I'm aware that you can just avoid them but if "just don't do it" is a valid argument against this suggestion then it should also be a valid point supporting it. Like I said, players who attack through the gates gain an unfair advantage. They can fill their charge meters faster; they can milk and jarate opponents completely risk-free, effectively stopping a push before it even starts; they get an increased random crit ratio by dealing damage - again, completely risk free. Robots who do it get points faster and are thus more likely to become a giant...
I'm sure there are more benefits that I've forgotten

Not really much you can do about that. Just talk to Banshee or linux_lover I suppose.

Originally posted by Randy:

That's kind of my point. I shouldn't have to avoid the gates altogether because some players don't have the courtesy to not abuse the gates. Right now there is nothing deterring those people from doing so, so they're only going to continue until it becomes an official rule

But why? All you need to do is stay away from them. I mean, who goes right up infront of them? Most people don't do that and most people do. I'm not being mean, but it confuses me as to why people really want to stand right up to a half-resistant gate. As of right now, alot of people tend to make the same mistake, which is stand infront of the gate and then just get hurt by someone who knows the bug, and then everyone sees it, and then they are likely to become the next criminal to harm the next victim. It's kind of addicting in some way.

Originally posted by CaioXG002:

Originally posted by Randy:

how else would the robots assess the humans' setup? if we weren't meant to see through them then valve would have designed them differently

If we're bringing how VALVe designed the gates into the discussion, I think we can end it at how VALVe designed the gates to stop most attacks from the game, but not all. It isn't any kind of server-side mod the fact that the Pyro can attack people behind walls, it's how VALVe designed it. Fair enough?

The discussion is not relating to how the gates were designed, it's asking for a solution to such a problem. Plus, we all know that the gates were made by VALVᴱ.

Originally posted by Randy:

what i'm inferring is that you don't have any strong arguments. i'd be glad to hear someone intelligent's opinion

Just stay away from the gates. Someone will surely get around to giving setup time godmode, or possibly another way of resolving this issue. But for now, just refrain from standing right infront of the gates.